Hmm. By this reasoning the M3 should have a K/D on par with the Wirb because the Wirb is "in no way responsible for the high KTD, the planes/pilots are." If the premiere AAA GV can't impact K/D vs. aircraft, what GV can?
Salient point. Lets rephrase; It is 75% the aircraft, 25% the GV, in that the GV just has to take the easy shot provided by the low, non-maneuvering aircraft as it flies strait it, providing what could be considered "the" ideal shot.
My point is that until the cartoon pilots stop flying like morons (and a great many do), we shouldn't blame our cartoon drivers for taking a shot.
I understood your point and rejected it; don't be obtuse 
Both perhaps? And I think rather more than rejecting it, it was that you didn't like the incontinent flaws in your argument I raised.
N/A. This is a false dilemma fallacy/straw man. I never said those aspects didn't bug me. Unlike the Wirb issue however, I understand the reasoning.
Calm yourself, you were just making a relatively large issue about the realism of it, but not a peep from you about anything else. Just wondering. And if you feel the problem is arbitrarily created, asking for it to be fixed would be more logical.
[/quote]False dilemma/straw man again (could fall under any number of fallacies actually). I already dismissed this. You'd made a spurious comment that Russian pilots were forced to fly the IL-2 and that should have something to do with the IL-2's established historical prevalence and demonstrated effectiveness -that's what we call a red herring, and it does not bolster your position.[/quote]
False conclusion; your OP mentioned the prevalence of IL-2's, and the scarcity of Wirblwinds in WWII, and how their positions are switched in AH. The wirblewind part does actually lend something to your argument, even if its only a little, considering that more Tigers are lost each month than were produced in the entirety of the war, and the same likely goes for most every other aircraft or vehicle in AH.
But the Il-2 really seems to be more of a whine, and you almost seem to imply that the Wirbs are driving the Il-2's away, as though their own lack of capability weren't enough to do that. The fact is that its simply not an effective platform, considering its bombs are small, its rockets near useless, and its guns are hampered by the fact that it must remain in range of retaliation to use them. Combine this with the A-20, the 190F-8, or even the Ju-87G with its more powerful guns, and the myriad of other fighter-bombers, and its obvious that the Il-2's days of popularity are over.
Wrong again. Let's make this easier for you. Pick either "contrived" or "emotional" and prove it. A judgment can be an attack, but the attack is only as valid as the judgment - so far I'm not impressed. While you're at it, reference this page and come back when you're ready. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies)
The wirblewind has been steadily dropping in KTD for quite a while, despite what should have been a big advantage in the form of reduced icon range two years ago. From everything I've seen, the deaths are the result of stupid flying, loitering within range for extended periods, or repeated passes over a base. I'm certain almost all anecdotal evidence from any given GV'er will back me up on this.
You yourself have double the number of kills OF wirblewinds as you have been killed BY wirblewinds, all of them being in aircraft, and it is half way through this tour; not due to a lack of opportunity.
Clearly your post isn't sparked by any first-hand experience of the wirblewind's effectivnes in usual situations. If I had to guess, bad luck prompted a trip to the stats, and then on to this thread.
And thinking on it, its no surprise the wirblwind has so many kills. Aircraft are going to be be numerous relative to GV's, and it won't really interact with GV's all that much. Its also the main AA weapon used by players.
It would be literally as though we had only 3 aircraft that could carry decent sized bombs, and then acting all amazed and pissed off when one of those emerges with the majority of vehicle kills.
