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Opt-in tertiary fire trigger
« on: July 13, 2013, 11:15:09 AM »
Please?

Like title says:  opt-in mapping.
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Re: Opt-in tertiary fire trigger
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2013, 11:19:23 AM »
I admit I'm probably missing something here. I've seen options to map buttons or keyboards
for either primary or secondary or all guns.

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Re: Opt-in tertiary fire trigger
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2013, 11:26:57 AM »
e.g. Me 410: .50 cal, crappy 20mm (not 50cal-like ballistics like e.g. Hispano 20mm), and MK103.  3 really different ballistics that you can't separate in the hangar -- you must select either 13mm+20mm or 7.9mm+20mm, and then add some 2x20mm / 4x20mm / 2x30mm / BK5 option, on top of the 13/7,9 option.

IIRC (I'll get burned for this if I'm wrong, but IIRC) the MK103 was normally used only with a pair of 20mm (only 2 triggers needed).  In any case... It just doesn't make sense to be forced to fire two such different weapons together.

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Or maybe make the MK103 selectable like the BK5?  But that's pretty selfish solution, that only applies to 410 instead of any other model that has more than 2 different-enough weapons.  The more elegant solution is still 3d trigger, and opt-in so it doesn't bother anyone's habits.
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Re: Opt-in tertiary fire trigger
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2013, 11:30:16 AM »
Ah, I see now. I bet it can be done. HT has been doing a lot of coding that, for all intents and purposes,
appears to be matching forum requests in damn near live time, as of late. It's kinda awesome.


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Re: Opt-in tertiary fire trigger
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2013, 12:18:25 PM »
I think what you really want is the option to determine which weapons will be grouped together, and the placement of each weapons group into primary or secondary. For example, when I go buff hunting in a G-14 with gondolas and gun pods, I'd rather have the 20mm and 13mm grouped together, leaving the tater gun on its own.

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Re: Opt-in tertiary fire trigger
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2013, 12:45:04 PM »
Yep... But it might be best to ask for the minimum-code solution.
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Re: Opt-in tertiary fire trigger
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2013, 06:04:36 PM »
Moot,

The historic wiring from the manuals is the base gun pairs of MG and cannon, or either alone in the nose, are on the same charging switch and firing button on the Knupplegriff KG 13b or 14, Knopf-A. The accessory weapons(kits) were on a separate charging circuit and wired to Knopf-B1.

I've outlined the Knopf mappings for the different 109, FW\Ta, 110 and 410 in a wish already.

In the Me410 if the base MG and cannon were present they fired together. The kit load out chosen is one of the possible base pair that were present when the Mk103 kit was installed.
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Re: Opt-in tertiary fire trigger
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2013, 09:23:51 PM »
But... the 410 didn't have combat trim.  ... Unless every other plane in the game is also "wired" historically?
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Re: Opt-in tertiary fire trigger
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2013, 01:54:25 AM »
I'll let Hitech draw the line on the button for your antigravity surge feild since the germans supposedly had a secret antigrav program which worked. I have copies of the circuit diagrams for the weapons systems I mentioned. I don't have a clue why in the 410 the base weapons were wired together in the charging circuit or the firing button. But, they are.

Unlike the MK108 starting with the G6 where a directive order was issued to link the 13mm and gondola 20mm on one button leaving the MK108 to be fired alone after pilot combat reports were heeded. This carried into the A8 where the 13mm and root 20mm were tied together and the 30mm wing cannon were on a separate button. Even if the wing cannon were 20mm they had their own button. To fire all required holding down Knopf-A and Knopf-B1.
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Re: Opt-in tertiary fire trigger
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2013, 01:04:28 PM »
Antigravity what?

The 410 and all other planes are modeled by AH conventions - evidently the real 410 and G6 and P-51 etc, didn't have combat trim, etc.  So evidently(?) the 410 ought to have the least obtrusive, gameplay-wise, control interface.  That definitely means firing 151/20 and 103s separately.
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