Stall limiter - yes or no?

[Max]

The general consensus seems to indicate that most experienced players don't use it, as it limits the envelope of the aircraft. I've tried it recently with a few 109 models, which always feel a bit too "twitchy".

OTOH I know a few good sticks who admit to using it 24/7. What say you? Are there specific planes that benefit from it?

Thanks. 

[coombz]

OTOH I know a few good sticks who admit to using it 24/7.

Really?    Who?

[The Fugitive]

Stall limiter NO! Combat trim on the other hand goes either way.

Which are you really asking about?

[Rich46yo]

No to both. Not that I never use combat trim but I have it mapped to a clutch/Hat 1 control for easy access. The problem with auto-trim is you forget you have it on and in the heat of fighting all of a sudden your having trouble keeping your nose up. It can be useful as a fast trim, turning it on and off, or when lining up a shot to steady your plane, but as a general rule I dont like it on all the time. I map trim to a wheel on my X52 throttle.

As for stall limiter why would anyone need it when you can hear the airplane starting to stall out anyways.

[Badboy]

The general consensus seems to indicate that most experienced players don't use it, as it limits the envelope of the aircraft.

As you correctly pointed out, the stall limiter has the advantage of protecting you from areas in the envelope where there is a risk of stalling or spinning, but that it also restricts your access to parts of the envelope that can produce the highest levels of performance in terms of better turning ability.

Most players I know prefer to accept the risks in order to squeeze every drop of performance from the aircraft, depending only on their skill for protection against departures.

The choice is simple:

• You can allow the game to assist you and pay the price in performance.
• You can hone your skills and learn to ride the edge of the envelope safely and get the extra performance.

Which way you go depends on how much time or energy you wish to invest. However, I would suggest that the rewards to be had from winning without crutches are well worth the investment.

Hope that helps...

Badboy

 

[Soulyss]

Here's my take on the stall limiter - and bear in mind that I've never really used it, when I started playing Aces High (many moons ago) stall limiter wasn't in the game so I've never had to deal with making the transition.


If you are using stall limiter and you switch it off the transition may be difficult (and frustrating) but eventually you will learn to fly w/out it and receive the benefit of the full range of performance from whatever plane you are flying.  Because as a player you have the ability to make adjustments, learn, improve.

If the system limits your performance you won't ever be able to get the most out of your aircraft it will be a permanent hindrance.   

I always would advise players to turn it off when they are ready.  Precisely when is of course entirely up to them and where they are at in their own AH "career". 

For any player who is thinking about taking the plunge and turning off stall limiter you may want to revisit your joystick scaling, info is available on the trainers website.
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/

Or for a direct link to the joystick setup page
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/controllers/controllers.htm#calibrate

Or mouse setup
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/mouse/mouse.htm

So I say turn it off, in the long run players will benefit with it off.  Grab a friend and spend some time in the TA just tooling around, fighting.  It might take a while but simple stick time (and maybe joystick scaling tweaks) should smooth out the rough edges.

[caldera]

After flying for two or three years with the stall limiter on, it took a lot of practice in the DA to get somewhat used to having it off (the P-40E was my main ride at the time and that had a nasty stall).  Then after a break from the game, I couldn't keep from augering, so it was back to having it on. 

Probably 99% of the fights I lose are due more to poor ACM than not having that last little bit of performance.  And my record against trees is much better with the stall limiter. 

[LCADolby]

Turn it off, you'll be doing yourself a service.

[Max]

Really?    Who?

T'aint sayen' 

[ink]

if 2 equal pilots go against one another....1 has Stall limiter on....... one has it off...the one with it off will win every time.


combat trim not so much.

[SIK1]

No.

[Mongoose]

  When I first started flying AH, I had the stall limiter on, simply because it was on by default.  A wise decision, I believe, as it helps new users get used to the game.  When I turned it off, I spent a few hours flying into the ground.  But I got the hang of it, and found I was able to pull much tighter maneuvers. 

I still fly into the ground, but not nearly as often. 

[Wiley]

I'd say if you're new to flight sims in general it might keep you out of sone trouble you could get into.  Personally I think it helps in the long run to leave it off and just get used to flying without it.

Wiley.

[titanic3]

I feel like it should be off by default...

[Agent360]

Stall limiter (SL) does a few things great and bad.

If SL is on it will prevent your plane from having a wing stall...now this is important because there are maneuvers u cant perform unless you USE the bad effect of stall to your advantage. The trick is mastering the ability to go into and out of stall....at will.

If you dont understand why a wing stalls and what causes it you should keep it on.

On the other hand if you have a good understanding of what SL actually does then you can use it at will depending on the plane your flying and HOW you will fly your sortie.

I will try a few examples -

Spit14 - nasty wing stall at slower speeds. Use SL and you will keep more energy and prevent snap stalls at critical times....usually you want to BZ/energy fight with this plane so having it on is good.

109K4 - SL is a bad idea. This plane has a pretty wide range of stall. You can push up to it easily...and when in stall it can be controlled by using the orientation and torque of the plane. Purposely going to power on or power off stall can make this plane do really nice flips and nose ups.

Zero - No need to turn SL. It is forgiving anyway...if you are snap stalling or whatever then your not flying the plane correctly.

For new players....say with a few weeks maybe a month of playing it is very useful so they can attack hard but not loose control...it helps in understanding how a plane flys without dying every time you yank the stick to hard.

For training purposes its great. Turn SL on and fly in the MA. This will force you to use more angles and teach about energy. It's a test to use SL and stay behind someone who doesn't have it on....more yoyo moves...more finesse on playing the correct counter moves.

Then turn it off and you will get more edge out of the plane. But really you should fly correctly until you HAVE to use stall tactics.