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Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« on: July 21, 2013, 11:16:34 PM »
While the recent tank additions are a nice touch to the game, I cant help but wonder why no StuG III? There have been countless wishes for the StuG so I don't see why it cant be added.



I don't complain much, but I honestly think the StuG could have been a higher priority than the Hetzer.


Good work on those new tanks though HTC crew, they look nice.

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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 10:48:25 AM »
the stug was mobile artillery...proved pretty useless against tanks on the battlefield.
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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 10:55:37 AM »
..proved pretty useless against tanks on the battlefield.

Maybe you are confusing it with a proper SP artillery gun like the Wespe?

The Stug III was very frequently, and sucessfully, used in the anti tank role. Note that in 42 it was upgunned to a long barreled  7.5 cm StuK 40 L/48, the same stuff the Hetzer and the Panzer IVH is using.
Usually half of the ammo loadout was made up by AP rounds.
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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 11:19:09 AM »
Maybe you are confusing it with a proper SP artillery gun like the Wespe?

The Stug III was very frequently, and sucessfully, used in the anti tank role. Note that in 42 it was upgunned to a long barreled  7.5 cm StuK 40 L/48, the same stuff the Hetzer and the Panzer IVH is using.
Usually half of the ammo loadout was made up by AP rounds.
just going by information garnered from some panzer divisions...the increased firepower didn't help it that much. the jadgdpanzers were much more successful per engagement as tank killers but the sturmgeschutz was cheaper to build.
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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 11:31:39 AM »
Of course the specialized tank destroyers were often "better" int hat particular role.

But that doesn't make the Stug III "useless" in any way. As a matter of fact, it used the same gun and optics as the Hetzer (the real 5x one, not the 2.4 we still have), for example, and was much more prevalent. The Stug III alone may have more tank kills than any other German armored vehicle.

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Overall, Sturmgeschutz series proved to be very successful, and served on all fronts as assault guns and tank destroyers in both offensive and defensive mode. Sturmgeschutz III with its low silhouette was a difficult target and a dangerous opponent, especially in its final model.  Sturmgeschutz crews were considered to be the elite of the artillery units and were issued special field grey (version of panzer) uniforms. Sturmgeschutz units held very impressive record of tank kills – some 20000 enemy tanks by spring of 1944

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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 02:01:21 PM »
cough Stu 42 cough
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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 02:04:03 PM »
cough Stu 42 cough

+1   :aok

But with respect to the OP, they already had a Panzer IV and Panther chassis.  They don't yet have a Panzer III chassis, and possibly don't accord it a high priority.  Of course that doesn't explain the Hetzer, but maybe the suspension elements from the Tiger and/or Panther were reused in the 3D model and animation (?).  

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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 02:20:05 PM »
the stug was mobile artillery...proved pretty useless against tanks on the battlefield.
Umm...didn't the Stug's III and IV account for over 20'000 enemy tank kills? So, yes, in an active moving battle - useless, but from a defensive position, very effective. :D
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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 05:41:59 PM »
I do have to say I am surprised that HTC added the Hetzer over the StG III.  The Hetzer chassis can go no where, while the StG III can offer up a few other models thanks to the chassis it derived from: the Panzer III.   :aok
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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2013, 02:51:28 AM »
hi

thay can easily use the PIv chasis for the StugIII uper hull. its the same thay have done in reality. after the PIII chasys was emty thay put the uper hull of the stugIII ond the PIV chasis and the StuGIV was born ;-).

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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2013, 05:05:54 PM »
hi

thay can easily use the PIv chasis for the StugIII uper hull. its the same thay have done in reality. after the PIII chasys was emty thay put the uper hull of the stugIII ond the PIV chasis and the StuGIV was born ;-).

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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2013, 05:34:34 PM »
wat? 

Don't worry, I didn't understand much of that either.

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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2013, 05:43:12 PM »
Don't worry, I didn't understand much of that either.

i think he's saying half the 3d model is there with the Panzer IV F

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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2013, 06:26:04 PM »
i think he's saying half the 3d model is there with the Panzer IV F

Not really; only from a distance.

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Re: Hetzer, JagdPanzer 4, JagdPanther but No StuG III?!
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2013, 11:01:44 PM »
I'd like to get a response from HTC about this, i'm still dying to know why the StuG wasn't a higher priority.