German fighter Dornier 335

[fullmetalbullet]

wish it met the criteria but it didn't 

I love how people keep throwing "Criteria" around even though HiTech and Skuzzy both said there are no set rules for aircraft inclusion. however i do agree that the 335 should not be in the game. not enoguh info is given about it and alot of the info states it did not get out of prototype stage.

[Zacherof]

I love how people keep throwing "Criteria" around even though HiTech and Skuzzy both said there are no set rules for aircraft inclusion. however i do agree that the 335 should not be in the game. not enoguh info is given about it and alot of the info states it did not get out of prototype stage.

Im pretty sure there is of rules and criteria

[gyrene81]

I love how people keep throwing "Criteria" around even though HiTech and Skuzzy both said there are no set rules for aircraft inclusion.

never saw either say that...you got a link?

[Karnak]

The last comment I saw from HiTech about it was that they want it to have seen combat.

[gyrene81]

ya know, it occurs to me that "had to see combat" is kind of an open door sort of thing...let's consider that a single example, whether it be prototype or 1 example off a production run got into the air and was subequently shot down without firing a shot, which in turn prompted command to stop all production for something else, that could qualify it as "saw combat".

[Zacherof]

ya know, it occurs to me that "had to see combat" is kind of an open door sort of thing...let's consider that a single example, whether it be prototype or 1 example off a production run got into the air and was subequently shot down without firing a shot, which in turn prompted command to stop all production for something else, that could qualify it as "saw combat".

 

[Karnak]

ya know, it occurs to me that "had to see combat" is kind of an open door sort of thing...let's consider that a single example, whether it be prototype or 1 example off a production run got into the air and was subequently shot down without firing a shot, which in turn prompted command to stop all production for something else, that could qualify it as "saw combat".

Don't think so as prototypes are very rarely the same as production machines.  Look at the prototype Spitfire compared to even a Mk I.  In the case of the Do335 the one that got chased by a Tempest had no guns.  If you count that as combat does that make the armed Do335 eligible or just an unarmed prototype?

[Megalodon]

I love how people keep throwing "Criteria" around even though HiTech and Skuzzy both said there are no set rules for aircraft inclusion. however i do agree that the 335 should not be in the game. not enoguh info is given about it and alot of the info states it did not get out of prototype stage.

They took planes right out of prototypes yard at the end of the war...which is obvious because we have the TA-152 in the game  


This sucker was massive and you really would have to watch out for the tail on take off and landing    Actually there is more visual proof of their existence than the TA-152  

DO-335 cannons


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC5sZ7qk5_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtElBeaF2Ew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK8ydLY5QHQ

 

[gyrene81]

Don't think so as prototypes are very rarely the same as production machines.  Look at the prototype Spitfire compared to even a Mk I.  In the case of the Do335 the one that got chased by a Tempest had no guns.  If you count that as combat does that make the armed Do335 eligible or just an unarmed prototype?

don't be so quick to jump there ol' boy, i'm not making the rules and i didn't say it was correct but...it is "open to interpretation".

[Karnak]

They took planes right out of prototypes yard at the end of the war...which is obvious because we have the TA-152 in the game  

Except the Ta152 was out of prototype and in series production as has been documented.  No such documentation exists for Do335s, nor are there any kill or loss claims for the Do335.  Those are significant differences.

The Ta152 seems to upset you quite a bit, but stating falsehoods about it is silly.  The Ta152H-1 was not a prototype, just a very low production aircraft.

This sucker was massive and you really would have to watch out for the tail on take off and landing    Actually there is more visual proof of their existence than the TA-152  

DO-335 cannons
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC5sZ7qk5_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtElBeaF2Ew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK8ydLY5QHQ

 

I've got photos of Ta152s as well.  Seeing as there is absolute proof of both, what is your point?

don't be so quick to jump there ol' boy, i'm not making the rules and i didn't say it was correct but...it is "open to interpretation".

Indeed.  Wasn't suggesting you were making the rules.  I was just discussing how the interpretations could be done and what they could mean.

[Megalodon]

Except the Ta152 was out of prototype and in series production as has been documented.  No such documentation exists for Do335s, nor are there any kill or loss claims for the Do335.  Those are significant differences.

The Ta152 seems to upset you quite a bit, but stating falsehoods about it is silly.  The Ta152H-1 was not a prototype, just a very low production aircraft.


I've got photos of Ta152s as well.  Seeing as there is absolute proof of both, what is your point?Indeed.  Wasn't suggesting you were making the rules.  I was just discussing how the interpretations could be done and what they could mean.

 I said some of the Ta-152 were taken from the prototype and put into service oh bright one... did you see where I said they didn't have some production <12> units? I said more VISUAL evidence.

 Do you really feel the need to analyze me every time you speak?

we'll see about the false hoods

http://www.wwiiaircraftphotos.com/luftwaffephotos/ldo3351.htm


OH and btw the US captured 10 of these how many TA were captured?

As Gyrene said  1 time 1 sortie in combat is all it would take and we just don't know for abosolute positive they were never ever flown in combat now do we?

[Zacherof]

Jesus the view must suck in that plane

[Karnak]

I said some of the Ta-152 were taken from the prototype and put into service oh bright one... did you see where I said they didn't have some production <12> units? I said more VISUAL evidence.

You strongly implied that we have prototypes in the game and the Ta152H-1 is the proof of it.  You'll deny that of course, as your wont is to fallback on lawyeristic BS.

(Image removed from quote.)
http://www.wwiiaircraftphotos.com/luftwaffephotos/ldo3351.htm


OH and btw the US captured 10 of these how many TA were captured?

Yay, another photo.  <yawn>

You have a point you want to make?  The quip about how many the US captured certainly falls in line with your habit of saying something that superficially sounds like it means something, but actually means nothing at all.

As Gyrene said  1 time 1 sortie in combat is all it would take and we just don't know for abosolute positive they were never ever flown in combat now do we?

Nope, hence the need for evidence that they were, not proof that they were not.  Hard to prove a negative and all that.

You know, like the proof the Ta152 was flown in combat.

[Megalodon]

Jesus the view must suck in that plane

 was the fastest piston war plane of that time <I think > prolly not to much looking back  

 and 3 30mm  


heres another shows the view <G>

[fullmetalbullet]

There is no hard and fast rule. But generally we want planes to have seen service.

HiTech

Its been a while and the message has been deleted from my inbox, but i did find it in an old post on the forums

Now im sure someone will say that service means shooting at the enemy. but seeing service can also mean entering into service during WW2 aswell. and there are many aircraft that do fit that profile. but the 335 does not. it was still in prototype stage.