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Offline Kenne

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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2013, 08:23:14 PM »

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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2013, 10:48:36 PM »
Of course major airlines pay considerably higher wages. But I saw many a documentary and a read a few reports that the regional airline pilots in the USA earn very little compared to their international counterparts.

Personally I think flight attendants should get the highest pay. Having to hold that smile for 12 hours on a trans-atlantic must take a serious chunk out of the dental plan.
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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2013, 11:14:27 PM »
Personally I think flight attendants should get the highest pay. Having to hold that smile for 12 hours on a trans-atlantic must take a serious chunk out of the dental plan.
Hopefully you aren't serious.  If it hits the fan, the flight attendant's smile isn't going to have any affect on whether or not the aircraft gets on the ground safely.  Pilots are paid for their experience, expertise with the aircraft, ability to stay cool under pressure, and commensurate level of responsibility.



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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2013, 12:13:29 AM »
Captain Sullenburger "Hudson Hero" used some of his pull to try and get a raise for his co-workers, and the only reason he kept his position is because of his fame.  
Complete and utter BS!  Either you pulled this out of your posterior or repeated it from someone else that pulled it out of theirs.  "Sully" (USAF trained and experienced by the way) demonstrated some of the most exceptional airmanship ever seen in recent aviation  history.  He kept his job because he remained cool and calm under the most adverse of situations and saved ALL OF HIS PASSENGERS AND CREW.  I have an acquaintance who flew F-4s with "Sully" and says he was on of the best he ever flew with.  Your statement only demonstrates that you are completely clueless of factual information or don't care and would rather make up fictional BS to try and impress readers on this forum with your expertise.  So, which is it?
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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2013, 12:22:14 AM »
No replacement for displacement!

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Very nice!  Just can't have too much power.  :aok
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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2013, 01:12:11 AM »
That article is so wrong, I'm not going to comment. No need to air dirty laundry....

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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2013, 10:33:39 AM »
Wish I made 250,000.000 a year setting on my butt .
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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2013, 10:43:25 AM »
Wish I made 250,000.000 a year setting on my butt .

or even sitting :) :bolt:
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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2013, 10:45:06 AM »
or even sitting :) :bolt:
HAHAHAH , you nut :]
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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2013, 10:46:10 AM »
I believe Mr. Puma has run all over this post.....I like it. No matter what a man in uniform does some goober on the east coast will always mess with it. We stare at the issues and someone else waves their hand and says do it this way while not even looking at the problem. I for one am sick of it. weary is the word.
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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2013, 03:45:35 PM »
Complete and utter BS!  Either you pulled this out of your posterior or repeated it from someone else that pulled it out of theirs.  "Sully" (USAF trained and experienced by the way) demonstrated some of the most exceptional airmanship ever seen in recent aviation  history.  He kept his job because he remained cool and calm under the most adverse of situations and saved ALL OF HIS PASSENGERS AND CREW.  I have an acquaintance who flew F-4s with "Sully" and says he was on of the best he ever flew with.  Your statement only demonstrates that you are completely clueless of factual information or don't care and would rather make up fictional BS to try and impress readers on this forum with your expertise.  So, which is it?

Are you disagreeing with the entire post of which some is correct or only the part where he mentioned "the only reason he kept his position"?

I do disagree with that part of the post you quoted but I feel you should have singled out the bad part for quoting rather than trash the entire post.

You need to be more specific when you direct your outrage lest others become confused.

It is known he used his fame to try to help those around him and to illuminate some things that are wrong with the system and I applaud him for that.

It is also known that his salary was reduced 40% and the corporate fat cats raided the pension which left him with only the pension guarantee with is next to useless.

I am really glad he used his fame to get that information out there because he, and a lot of other long term pilots really got shafted.......but it was not a result of the water landing.......It would have happened regardless.

The system is flawed and is very much a part of "deregulation" which allowed upstats with zero pension burden to unfairly undercut existing long lived airlines to the point that they could not compete.

The fat cats win and the pilots will continue to lose until something is done......or demanded to be done after a few more high profile crashes from pilots who the system caused to be undertrained, overworked, and underpaid.


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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2013, 07:58:32 PM »
What's your hourly pay rate?

More than $100/hr. Not going to say how much more.

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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2013, 08:19:39 PM »
More than $100/hr. Not going to say how much more.
Just curious.  My acquaintance's is nearly twice that, not at liberty to state specifics either.  Flying for a profession certainly requires a passion for it and dedication to keep plugging away at.   :salute



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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2013, 08:28:03 PM »
You need to be more specific when you direct your outrage lest others become confused.
It was plenty specific.  If there was confusion reading it, that was most likely from the smoke that was being blown about.  A little outrage is needed when complete fabrication is made up just to make comment on a post in order to sound credible and the writer is getting "facts" from sniffing around an ANG unit's personnel that aren't pilots and don't fly the aircraft in question.



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Re: USAF Short of Fighter pilots? WTH?
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2013, 03:15:42 AM »
Just curious.  My acquaintance's is nearly twice that, not at liberty to state specifics either.  Flying for a profession certainly requires a passion for it and dedication to keep plugging away at.   :salute

I was comparing with regional pays. Keep in mind I'm also salaried, so that was based on an average 40 hour work week, I don't actually get paid by the hour. The only one that paid higher the 12+ years experience flies the big int'l routes type, and not by much.