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Offline Megalodon

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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2013, 01:42:14 PM »
So what if it was still in testing phase?  It was a machine just like other machines in wartime that were put in the hands of soldiers to the task of fighting the war.  It wasn't "in testing phase" any more than the Ducati Desmosedici GP13 is "in testing phase" and thus doesn't deserve to score points on the championship.  Taking a country like Germany in 'late 44 - '45 and saying they put a plane like the 152H into combat before going thru conventional development stages, and quoting cherry picked production/fielding numbers is just disingenuous.

Again with the obsession with 16 planes figure.  Read more carefully?  Articulate yourself more carefully.  I'm done with this one.

So what? Comparing a WWII plane with a Riceracer  :rofl

Show me more than 16 in combat. Whats your obsession 24? 59?  They were all flying? Get real!

I don't need to read more carefully Moot.... whats to articulate? They were all still in testing when forced into service <shrug> The small amount of the H1's weren't even test flown just rolled out on the tarmac and picked up by there pilots or rolled on the tarmac and blown up by the Eighth Airforce or themselves in a few cases.

Taking a country like Germany? Your kidding right?  How bout we take ALL the countries that were affected by Germany in the beginning of the war and give them some credit?. You seem to only favor Germany, poor Germany beat down so bad the couldn't flesh out the Ta-152, in this respect again <shrug>.

Disingenuous?   :rolleyes: ...Pe-2 11,000 made.... And your jump-in up and down like a cheerleader because there were only 16 Ta's to make it into combat? That's disingenuous  :aok

Common you are the champion of the 152... at least try to stick up for it.... the problem is you can't... it's all ready in Black and White..Posted.. that's why I'm on your ignore list. You don't like what is being said/shown ...Or some how you want to involve/intertwine the <BIG> philosophy of the war engine as to the reason the 16 planes should be in the game. Not all of them H1's mind you. If we say just the H1's in combat we can get down to about 5-8 planes  :aok

Some how a plane that never flew a mission it was designed for, save the 1st mission of III/Jg301 <12 Ta152> where they never made it to altitude as they were repelled by their own 109's, made it in the game as a high altitude interceptor.

Game mechanics or not it sets the bar for us to have very low numbered production planes in the game.

I can't believe Krusty isn't in here screaming at the top of his lungs about this plane and it's insignificance and how unjust it is that this sucker is in the game.

Tell us more about the BIG picture,

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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2013, 01:45:54 PM »
It wasn't a choice of HTC adding the Pe-2 or the Ta152 and them picking the Ta152.  The decision you are insinuating happened didn't actually happen.
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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2013, 01:48:08 PM »
It wasn't a choice of HTC adding the Pe-2 or the Ta152 and them picking the Ta152.  The decision you are insinuating happened didn't actually happen.

 I'm not talking about any decision im talking about numbers of planes 16 vs 11,000 again you fail to see things in perspective.
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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #48 on: July 26, 2013, 02:01:12 PM »
I'm not talking about any decision im talking about numbers of planes 16 vs 11,000 again you fail to see things in perspective.
I have great perspective on it, which includes understanding of the subtleties that you refuse to even acknowledge the existence of.  You seem incapable of perspective.

If you think I am suggesting in any way that the Ta152 is comparable in importance to the Pe-2, or numerous other aircraft, you haven't been reading what I have been saying.  The Ta152 was a footnote, it just happened to be a footnote that was easy for HTC to add.

My suggested lists of things I think AH needs are filled with things like the Pe-2, Beaufighter and Wellington that were built in four and five digit quantities and we heavily used (no P-63).  Nowhere on my lists do you find units that were only produced in double digits.  I can't think of any triple digit numbers even.
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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2013, 03:08:59 PM »
As someone might be prone to suggesting .... prove it didn't happen.  :D

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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2013, 04:48:01 PM »
 After read the entire thread I'm at a loss... :o

  Yes the 152 was still in testing,it saw squadron assignment,it saw limited combat,it scored kills and was shot down. So whats the argument?

 I have never seen a definitive answer to what will and wont be included in AH,I think Hitech is too smart to paint himself in a corner like that,but that's just MHO.

 Should the Pe2 or Beau be ingame,sure,should the P63 be included,why not? I think a case could be made for inclusion of the F7F,more built than 152 and they had 3 tooling around on Okinawa. Even the F8f was in squadron use,although mostly in the US with some intransit. On the German side I see the 162 could be included,doesnt matter though because again I've never once seen HTC say what were grounds for inclusion in Aces High.


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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2013, 04:59:03 PM »
After read the entire thread I'm at a loss... :o

  Yes the 152 was still in testing,it saw squadron assignment,it saw limited combat,it scored kills and was shot down. So whats the argument?

 I have never seen a definitive answer to what will and wont be included in AH,I think Hitech is too smart to paint himself in a corner like that,but that's just MHO.

 Should the Pe2 or Beau be ingame,sure,should the P63 be included,why not? I think a case could be made for inclusion of the F7F,more built than 152 and they had 3 tooling around on Okinawa. Even the F8f was in squadron use,although mostly in the US with some intransit. On the German side I see the 162 could be included,doesnt matter though because again I've never once seen HTC say what were grounds for inclusion in Aces High.


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searching piles of crap in Do 335 threads i found a reply by Skuzzy that said it's up to Pyro. He makes the decisions on those things and that he didn't know what his rules for inclusion were of he had any. My guess would be a large bag of cash.

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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2013, 06:23:28 PM »
searching piles of crap in Do 335 threads i found a reply by Skuzzy that said it's up to Pyro. He makes the decisions on those things and that he didn't know what his rules for inclusion were of he had any. My guess would be a large bag of cash.



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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2013, 05:34:03 AM »
I only see a overblown ego jousting affair in this thread. Everyone are of course entitled to their opinions and thoughts on the matter, but the game production argument is a valid one. Please also realize that the situation is a dynamic one, AH is not in it's final state nor will it ever be. More planes will be added and it's a undisputable fact there are dozens (if not more) of really significant aircraft types currently missing.

So I suggest you relax your ego a bit to enjoy the game better.

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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2013, 08:25:58 PM »
Who cares you pay for the game if you don't like it or think things are unfair stop playing. If its such a heart break go learn to write code and do the work yourself and give it to the game for all to use and benefit otherwise suck it up dude

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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2013, 08:23:39 AM »


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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2013, 04:27:18 AM »
Did you just get shot by one ?
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Re: TA-152 was still in testing phase...
« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2013, 02:08:06 PM »

I am for the inclusion of any and all of the so called "marginal" late war aircraft (TA-152, F7F, F8F, P-63, Do-335, He-162, P-80, et al) in the "game", provided of course that there is adequate data to model them accurately.  Why?   Because its a "game" and they would be fun to fly and fight with.  Oh I know, its not "historical", but neither is Spitfires dogfighting with P-51's and P-47's, Me-109s fighting A6M's, Yaks shooting down B-17s or B-24s, Lanc-stukas and a million other things that occur in AH on a daily basis.  There are many "what-if" scenarios that already play themselves out time and again in AH.  Again, this is a "game", not a PhD dissertation on the history of WWII air combat.  Just my opinion...