Japan home defense

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Thank you.  Do you know, are there people in your government that review every video and decide if is acceptable before it is allowed or , after the video is posted do they then blacklist it?

Many years ago, as an avid science fiction fan, I read George Orwell's "1984" and thought, "well this will never happen".

Big Brother must be very busy where you are.

BTW Snailman, <S> nice seeing you flying the other day bud.

Uhh you're pretty far off. The content OWNERS i.e. americans are the ones blocking the content, not the government.

[Lusche]

Thank you.  Do you know, are there people in your government that review every video and decide if is acceptable before it is allowed or , after the video is posted do they then blacklist it?

No such thing.

AFAIK Youtube videos are blocked by YT because:

- YT hasn't publishing rights in Germany (mostly music), this makes up the overhwelming majority of cases
- YT knows or suspects the content featured in it violates German law (for example neo nazi stuff and similar)
- The owner/publisher of that vid does not allow for it to be shown in Germany

[Karnak]

There are also other rights issues that can prevent us from seeing Youtube vids. In another thread yesterday or the day before, Karnak posted some YT links to FOX vids (documentaries).
Fox doesn't like us Germans to see them, for unknown reasons...  

The internet may be international in theory, but it's getting quite provincial lately...

Hmmm, not FOX, if you're referring to the air crash investigation shows.  Those were, as I understand it, BBC productions that were then picked up by, I think, the National Geographic channel for US distribution.


As to the blocking, Lusche is correct.  Even though I am not German I have seen that data point.  I follow copyright and patent laws with some interest as they are frequently a convergence point of corporations and government used to hammer individuals and smaller businesses/innovators with grossly disproportionate penalties.

[Lusche]

Uhh you're pretty far off. The content OWNERS i.e. americans are the ones blocking the content, (...)

In case of music it's not always that simple, at least not in Germany.
Ownership, publishing rights and the GEMA is a complex, confusing and very annoying topic

[Lusche]

Hmmm, not FOX, if you're referring to the air crash investigation shows.  Those were, as I understand it, BBC productions that were then picked up by, I think, the National Geographic channel for US distribution..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6wVikB9s4A   "DHL -Attack over Bagdad"

This video features content by Fox International Channels. This partner has blocked this vido in your country for copyright reasons. We are sorry

(crappy translation by me)

[Karnak]

Hmm.  Odd.  Maybe the National Geographic channel falls in the FOX International Channels group.

[guncrasher]

Thank you.  Do you know, are there people in your government that review every video and decide if is acceptable before it is allowed or , after the video is posted do they then blacklist it?

Many years ago, as an avid science fiction fan, I read George Orwell's "1984" and thought, "well this will never happen".

Big Brother must be very busy where you are.

BTW Snailman, <S> nice seeing you flying the other day bud.

bishops blocked my ah video.  had to submit it several times before it got thru  .


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[Rich46yo]

Well for those who cant view it its a 13 min piece, much of it appearing from propaganda rolls, showing the Japanese fighting back against the B29 raids. Theres a lot of clip showing downed B29s, very few of which happened due to enemy action, and some great shots of IJA fighters either taking off or trying to gain air on B29 formations. I wish I knew IJA aircraft better, maybe someone could comment which ones are in the piece. I thought there were some KI-100s in the short but again Im not sure.

Its all cobbled together to make the Japanese feel like they were fighting an effective defense against the B29s, which of course they werent. Theres so little of this kind of material that survived the war. They destroyed so much film, documents, records of any kind "war? what war?", blaming it on our bombs, that its always a treat to watch this kind of footage.

[Karnak]

The first fighters they show taking off were IJN, not IJA, J2M Raiden 'Jack' fighters.  Second ones were IJA Ki-61 Hien 'Tony's and the last were IJA Ki-44 Shoki 'Tojo" fighters.

Out of curiosity, do you know what brought those B-29s, that are identifiable in that clip, down or are you just assuming based on probabilities?  While the Japanese were not very effective, they also weren't so ineffective as to require those to be accidents.

[Scherf]

Joe Baugher has the "4766" B-29 as having been rammed by a Ki-61 near Nagoya in early January, 1945:

http://cgibin.rcn.com/jeremy.k/cgi-bin/gzUsafSearch.pl?target=4766&content=B-29

500th BG website seems to show tail markings similar to the one in the film:

http://cgibin.rcn.com/jeremy.k/cgi-bin/gzUsafSearch.pl?target=4766&content=B-29

6262 seems to have been with the 578th BG, Joe Baugher has it coming down in Mukden, Manchuria on December 7 (!) 1944:

http://cgibin.rcn.com/jeremy.k/cgi-bin/gzUsafSearch.pl?target=6282&content=B-29

The nose markings (something on an Ace of Spades motif) seem right according to a squadron memorial page:

http://www.444thbg.org/678thsquadron.htm

In fact, there's a picture of "Round Trip Ticket" as she was called, in better days on that site, though they have the number as 5262.

[Scherf]

The aircraft that slips out of formation looks like it might have been coded 222 - Joe Baugher has that one being rammed by a Ki-45 over lake Kawaguchi in February 1945:

http://cgibin.rcn.com/jeremy.k/cgi-bin/gzUsafSearch.pl?target=222&content=B-29

Edit: I think the original footage may be found on an NHK website, all in Japanese of course but worth a look:

http://cgi2.nhk.or.jp/shogenarchives/jpnews/list.cgi

[Rich46yo]

The first fighters they show taking off were IJN, not IJA, J2M Raiden 'Jack' fighters.  Second ones were IJA Ki-61 Hien 'Tony's and the last were IJA Ki-44 Shoki 'Tojo" fighters.

Out of curiosity, do you know what brought those B-29s, that are identifiable in that clip, down or are you just assuming based on probabilities?  While the Japanese were not very effective, they also weren't so ineffective as to require those to be accidents.

I never said they didnt shoot any down I just said their defense was not effective. I dont remember the exact numbers but as many B-29s were lost due to mechanical failure as they were to enemy action. Both reasons amounted to about 10% of the force. Of course most of the mechanical losses were due to the fact there was almost no development testing of the B-29. Also, a disproportionate number of losses came when the 29s were operating out of China. Both mechanical and enemy action. The Bomber had many kinks to be worked on and the IJAAF still had some teeth. But If I remember right some wheres in the neighborhood of 150 'forts were lossed to enemy action. This in the neighborhood of around 30,000+ sorties flown.

Somewheres in the neighborhood of 500 were lossed altogether. So the chances of your own bomber killing you was greater then the Japanese killing you.

After we took the Marianas , then Iwo, when the system became more operationally sound, when P-51Ds and P-47Ns showed up, and when LeMay took over and changed tactics , over to night bombing at Low Alts, losses to enemy action became less and less. We ended up basically burning the country down. So no I dont think their defense was effective, nor do I think they were prepared for an air offensive OTW that certainly was no secret. Most of all when compared to the mighty Luftwaffe.

Im going from memory here so feel free to correct me. I enjoyed the video very much.

[Karnak]

Yeah, I know there were a lot more losses due to flying accidents and mechanical problems than Japanese action, I am just skeptical of how many of those came down where the Japanese would have had access to them.

From what Scherf posted more the half of the ones in the video were likely brought down by Japanese ramming attacks and such.

[Rich46yo]

Yeah, I know there were a lot more losses due to flying accidents and mechanical problems than Japanese action, I am just skeptical of how many of those came down where the Japanese would have had access to them.

From what Scherf posted more the half of the ones in the video were likely brought down by Japanese ramming attacks and such.

Wouldn't surprise me. "Ramming" was effective but of course couldn't be sustained.

Honestly with the destruction of their navy and the tightening noose of the blockade there just wasnt any way for them to do better.

[bcadoo]

I think this is the corsair near the end of the clip:

"On 25 February 1945 Ens. Donald A. Carlson of VMF-124 was one of the pilots taking off from USS Essex (CV-9) for a fighter sweep over Japan. Carlson failed to return from the mission and was listed as missing in action. In fact, he force landed his F4U-1D Corsair Buno 57251 Code 69 in a rice paddy in Hirano, Kamiotsu-cho, Shinji-gun (present Tsuchiura-shi), Ibaraki-ken. The present town of Tsuchiura has since merged with the village of Kamiotsu.

Carlson advised his wingmen by radio that he was OK, and was then taken prisoner by the Japanese civil defense guards. He was interrogated at Tokyo Kempei Tai for 40 days, and then moved to Omori POW Camp. At the end of the war, Carlson was liberated from Tokyo POW Camp (Shinjuku) and repatriated to the United States. Almost intact, the wreck of his fighter was inspected by the Japanese."