Service Dates for New Tanks and Planes...

[Mister Fork]

Hi everyone,

We need to do a small update to our Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates for the recently added crafts.  Does anyone have documneted (please state from where) Service Dates (when they saw use in operations and where) for the:

- Yak-3
- Yak-7B
- Jagpanzer 38(t)
- Jagdpanzer IV/70
- Jagdpanther

Thanks 

[Mister Fork]

Anyone?

[Mister Fork]

Yak-3 ... 06-44 [source:Gordon, Yefim. Soviet Airpower in World War II. Hinckley UK: Midland / Ian Allen Publishing, 2008.]
Yak-7B ... 05-42 [source:Leonard, Herbert. Encyclopaedia of Soviet Fighters 1939-1951. Paris: Histoire & Collections, 2005.]
Jagpanzer 38(t) ... 05-44 [source:Doyle, Hillary; Tom Jentz (2001). Jagdpanzer 38 'Hetzer' 1944-45. Oxford, UK: Osprey Publishing.]
Jagdpanzer IV/70 ... 11-44 [source:http://www.achtungpanzer.com/jagdpanzer-iv-sd-kfz-162-75mm-l48-1944.htm]
Jadgpanther ... 03-44 [source:Chris Ellis & Peter Chamberlain, AFV Profile No. 10 - Panzerkampfwagen V Panther Profile Publications.]

Anyone else have different "in operation" or combat dates?

[Karnak]

I don't, but I am skeptical that the most powerful of the new tank destroyers is also the earliest.  Jagpanzer 38(t) is really a mid-1944 vehicle?  I'd assumed it was from '41 or '42.

[Lusche]

I don't, but I am skeptical that the most powerful of the new tank destroyers is also the earliest.  Jagpanzer 38(t) is really a mid-1944 vehicle?  I'd assumed it was from '41 or '42.

No, it's really that late.

The few TDs that appeared in early war were like this:




Marder I

[Denniss]

According to Jentz/Doyle Encyclopedia of german tanks of ww2 the first Panzer IV/70(V) were issued already in August 1944. The freshly produced vehicles were issued to 105th and 106th independent Panzer Brigades. Some further independent units got those vehicles once available (just 98 built in August/September). A similar low-scale distribution happened with the Panzer IV/70(A).

Jentz/Doyle from the source above mention June44 as first issue - to 559th and 654th Panzerjägerabteilung.

[GScholz]

We have the L/70 version of the Jagdpanzer IV. The L/48 armed version entered production in January of 1944, and before that the StuG IV, also with an L/48 entered production in December 1943. The StuG III was in production from 1940 with the L/48 armed Ausf. F and G "tank destroyer" versions starting to arrive in late 1942.

[GScholz]

Karnak, the Hetzer is indeed a 1944 vehicle. It was made as a more cost effective supplement to the Jagdpanther and Jagdpanzer. With 60mm of highly sloped front armor and a long barrel 75mm gun in a 15 ton vehicle, it was a very advanced design for its time.

[GScholz]

Unbuttoned we can see just how tiny this TD really is. Also notice the thickness of the armor is clearly visible in the welding between the lower and upper glacis plates. While made by Skoda and based on the earlier Panzer 38(t) this is clearly not an early war design.

[Denniss]

Skoda did not develop the vehicle, that was BMM/CKD. Skoda started to license-produce the Jagdpanzer 38 though.

[Lusche]

Unbuttoned we can see just how tiny this TD really is.

Or by in game comparison:




 

[Mister Fork]

We have the L/70 version of the Jagdpanzer IV. The L/48 armed version entered production in January of 1944, and before that the StuG IV, also with an L/48 entered production in December 1943. The StuG III was in production from 1940 with the L/48 armed Ausf. F and G "tank destroyer" versions starting to arrive in late 1942.

GScholz - can the Jagpanzer 38(t) sub for a Stug if we limit weapon options?

[GScholz]

GScholz - can the Jagpanzer 38(t) sub for a Stug if we limit weapon options?

Yeah, it's not a bad match for an uparmored StuG III F/G, but not really for any scenario pre-1943.

[Mister Fork]

Yeah, it's not a bad match for an uparmored StuG III F/G, but not really for any scenario pre-1943.