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Offline earl1937

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4 & 1
« on: July 31, 2013, 08:03:20 AM »
 :airplane: In this great game that we all enjoy, there are two aircraft, one with 4 engines and one with 1 engine, both American, which has one thing in common, which made both the most lethal weapons in their respective categories. (Was not the .50 cal machine guns). Which two aircraft were they and what did they share in common?
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Re: 4 & 1
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2013, 08:31:02 AM »
P-51 and the Britich Lanc, they both had the Merlin engine.

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Re: 4 & 1
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2013, 08:33:22 AM »
Didnt realize you said both American ... Dunno

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2013, 10:27:33 AM »
Maybe thinking of the lead computing gunsights on the P-51D and B-29?  Other aircraft in the AH stabe had that too, though.
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Re: 4 & 1
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2013, 12:40:02 PM »
:airplane: In this great game that we all enjoy, there are two aircraft, one with 4 engines and one with 1 engine, both American, which has one thing in common, which made both the most lethal weapons in their respective categories. (Was not the .50 cal machine guns). Which two aircraft were they and what did they share in common?
B-29 and P47? :pray
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Re: 4 & 1
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2013, 01:06:34 PM »
Got me stumped.

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2013, 01:48:45 PM »
 29 and 47 both used superturbo chargers and could sustain a FTH above most every other plane.



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Re: 4 & 1
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2013, 02:13:33 PM »
Got me stumped.
:airplane: The two aircraft in question are the B-24, first flew in Dec 29th, 1939 and the P-51, which flew first in Oct 26th, 1940. The designer of the B-24 wing, David Davis, in order to meet U.S. Army requirements of a bomber to replace the B-17, used a "Laminar Flow" wing design to meet speed requirements. Edgar Schmued, who designed the P-51 wing, did not know that he too, had designed a "Laminar Flow" wing, hence you have two different aircraft, one with 4 engines and one with 1 engine, but both born with a "Laminar Flow" wing! Niether of these two engineers knew what the other had designed, so by fate, both turned out to be 2 of the best performers in WW2.
While in another post I made on this forum about which aircraft had the best air to air kill record, the Navy's F6F, one must remember that the 51 had better opposition with the German a/c and pilots, than did the Japanese a/c and pilots!
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2013, 02:18:13 PM »
:airplane: The two aircraft in question are the B-24, first flew in Dec 29th, 1939 and the P-51, which flew first in Oct 26th, 1940. The designer of the B-24 wing, David Davis, in order to meet U.S. Army requirements of a bomber to replace the B-17, used a "Laminar Flow" wing design to meet speed requirements. Edgar Schmued, who designed the P-51 wing, did not know that he too, had designed a "Laminar Flow" wing, hence you have two different aircraft, one with 4 engines and one with 1 engine, but both born with a "Laminar Flow" wing! Niether of these two engineers knew what the other had designed, so by fate, both turned out to be 2 of the best performers in WW2.
While in another post I made on this forum about which aircraft had the best air to air kill record, the Navy's F6F, one must remember that the 51 had better opposition with the German a/c and pilots, than did the Japanese a/c and pilots!


  The Germans were working on laminar flow wings also,too little too late tho!



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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2013, 02:28:27 PM »

  The Germans were working on laminar flow wings also,too little too late tho!



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:airplane: You know sir, you are correct and I read somewhere, sometime that "Willy" and one of his designers had a disagreement on the ME-262 wing design. I think the engineer wanted to copy the NACA design princpals for the duce, but was re-bluffed by "Willy". I have often wondered if that would have been the first to break sound barrier with a "Laminar Flow" wing design.
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2013, 03:25:20 PM »
That's a good one, I was stumped for sure.  I can't help but think the guy that first started talking symmetrical wings and laminar flow was laughed at by the semisymmetrical  old design guys.  NACA I would guess pushed the US passed the accepted wing design practice of the day with their extensive test program. I

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2013, 05:43:47 PM »
:airplane: You know sir, you are correct and I read somewhere, sometime that "Willy" and one of his designers had a disagreement on the ME-262 wing design. I think the engineer wanted to copy the NACA design princpals for the duce, but was re-bluffed by "Willy". I have often wondered if that would have been the first to break sound barrier with a "Laminar Flow" wing design.
I strongly reccomend Sharks of the Air. Great read in the development of the 262 and the internal issue willy had with the RLM and Ernhar milch. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2013, 06:05:26 PM »
Better would be the 4 vol. tome by Classic Publications.

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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2013, 09:42:16 PM »
     Think the 262 would have had trouble with transonic flight...no flying tail.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2013, 04:01:38 AM »
     Think the 262 would have had trouble with transonic flight...no flying tail.

The stab had cockpit adjustable variable trim.