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Offline Fud

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HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« on: August 06, 2013, 11:19:00 AM »
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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2013, 12:54:07 PM »
 :O  :rofl



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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2013, 12:57:13 PM »
 Turn the plane on.  :rofl
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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2013, 01:17:55 PM »
Apparently pilot forgot about FAR 91.307(c). Parachute required when exceeding 30 deg pitch or 60 deg bank. Probably not smart to post a video of it. I assume it was in the US since passenger was squeaking in english.
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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2013, 02:29:57 PM »
Just because passenger was speaking English, doesn't mean they were in the US.

Regardless, that was funny as well. :lol
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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2013, 06:33:24 PM »
I was waiting for some zero G barf  :rofl
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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2013, 10:47:41 PM »
his voice sure is a few octaves on the high side, isn't it?
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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2013, 12:35:15 AM »
Apparently pilot forgot about FAR 91.307(c). Parachute required when exceeding 30 deg pitch or 60 deg bank. Probably not smart to post a video of it. I assume it was in the US since passenger was squeaking in english.
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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2013, 05:10:56 AM »
If anything the scenery reminds me of New Zealand. I don't recognise the aircraft type???

It's pretty funny though. He may be a bit of a screamer but fair play to him he was game for it all. Dropping skydivers you get occasional screamers mostly women but occasionally men too. Hilarious.

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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2013, 07:02:27 AM »
Apparently pilot forgot about FAR 91.307(c). Parachute required when exceeding 30 deg pitch or 60 deg bank.

It's like the pirate code...

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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2013, 08:59:56 AM »
Apparently pilot forgot about FAR 91.307(c). Parachute required when exceeding 30 deg pitch or 60 deg bank. Probably not smart to post a video of it. I assume it was in the US since passenger was squeaking in english.

I broke that rule a few times. Twice it was to avoid dying and a third time when a student was entering a spin a few knots fast and loaded up the airplane to accelerate the stall. Left wing went first and we were upside down before you could say "hey, look we're upside down!" in an inverted spin. If we were in an aerobatic airplane I may have given then a couple turns to get things sorted out. We weren't so I didn't and we barely went past a half a turn.

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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2013, 11:37:19 AM »
I broke that rule a few times. Twice it was to avoid dying and a third time when a student was entering a spin a few knots fast and loaded up the airplane to accelerate the stall. Left wing went first and we were upside down before you could say "hey, look we're upside down!" in an inverted spin. If we were in an aerobatic airplane I may have given then a couple turns to get things sorted out. We weren't so I didn't and we barely went past a half a turn.

If you never break a reg how do you answer the question in an interview "tell me about a time you broke a reg?"

If it was positive G spin it wasn't really an "inverted spin"...  You were just in an accelerated spin entry or developing spin, and the roll oscillations resulted in the aircraft being inverted.  A true inverted spin is negative Gs from an inverted (low AOA vs. high AOA) stall.

The dudes who wrote the T-6A manual made the same mistake, writing "inverted stalls" as a prohibited maneuver.  So every time a student pulls on the stick a bit too much during a loop and the plane stalls just a tiny bit while inverted, I've now just done a prohibited maneuver?  Nonsense.  They wanted to prohibit negative G stalls, not inverted stalls.  But the morons who wrote the manual don't have an understanding of basic aerodynamics so they put that little bit of nonsense in and refuse to change it, because they can't imagine the plane being inverted and a stall not being negative G.  I think they're afraid of 3D maneuvering and aerobatics really, and can't be troubled to take the time to learn better.

These are the same people who ignore the single line in the manual about reducing power when approaching a stall when excessively nose high, to avoid prop torque and P-factor causing the plane to depart controlled flight to the left.  Instead, they treat it as an out of control situation and immediately jump to the OCF recovery procedure, where anything could happen.  I had a student who pretty much ran out of ideas during formation flying and we ended up heading straight up with the airspeed rapidly decaying below 120 kts (stall was approx. 85 kts).  Per the recommendations of the fine large aircraft drivers who taught me to fly the T-6, I *should* have pulled the throttle to idle, neutralized the controls, and let the plane flop wherever it wanted, hoping to not ram my flight lead as I abdicated my responsibility as pilot in command.  I guess I'd be giving the plane to Allah, since I was flying with an Iraqi student at the time.  Instead, I did that pilot stuff, and per the flight manual pulled the power to 60% to reduce torque while ensuring continued airflow over the tail surfaces, and with very careful application of stick and rudder pressure I flew the plane out of it while maintaining visual on my flight lead and even maintained a safe position behind his aircraft.  The slowest we got was approx. 40 kts, fully controllable as long as I didn't ask the plane to exceed stall AOA or abuse any other flight control inputs.  I think "stall" at that speed was about 0.4 Gs, which is plenty to maneuver a plane in a near-ballistic arc and certainly better than relying on dumb luck to not whip stall or ram the other aircraft.

Anyhow...  "inverted spin"?  Really?  Or was it just an incipient spin with pre-spin gyrations (aerodynamically not much different than a really low speed snap roll) that had you inverted as the aircraft energy bled off during the accelerated spin entry?  If you didn't shove the stick fwd inducing a negative G negative AOA stall with the nose still slicing, I'm not sure it could be considered a true inverted spin.

BTW, the T-6 and T-37 would do that, predictably.  Certain spin entries in the T-37 were high enough energy that you might go 'round and 'round at least twice in energy dissipating rolls before the plane settled into a developed upright spin.  The rolling entry wasn't considered an inverted spin because the people who wrote the manual for the T-37 actually understood aerodynamics, plus an inverted spin in the T-37 was an actual "really bad thing" if handled incorrectly, so they took the effort to make sure we knew the difference.  Sitting on your butt in the seat = "upright" spin even if the post stall pre-spin gyrations took the plane inverted, hanging in the straps with helmet pushed up against the canopy = inverted spin even if the plane was temporarily upright at any time during the spin entry.
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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2013, 11:51:54 AM »
I've also entered an "upright" spin while upside down and still heading "up"...  Very specific conditions there, basically heading about 30 deg nose high inverted but with about +1.5 Gs right before completing the first half of a loop, and I got a sudden urge to fly the other direction.  Pulled the stick back just past the stall buffet, nudged a bit of rudder... and the nose obediently started to swing around.  After about 1/2 of a turn still climbing but now flying sideways in a spin entry, I moved the stick fwd to reduce AOA and applied opposite rudder, stopping the nose slice close to 180 degrees opposite my original direction of flight, still climbing and now "flying" (falling up and over in a ballistic arc) nearly backwards, still under full control of the plane because the flight controls were positioned to not ask the plane to perform outside of its flight envelope at that speed and attitude.  Basically, I only briefly went beyond the stall AOA and kept it below the stall AOA after I had gotten the nose positioned where I wanted it.

But it wasn't an inverted or negative G spin, and I kept at least 0.5 Gs on the aircraft the entire time, going outside the normal flight envelope only for the brief instant required to get the nose to respond to rudder inputs with a nice yaw.  Perfectly predictable behavior for that aircraft, if you knew what you were doing, that also happens to be a variant of a last-ditch guns defense maneuver I first learned in the F-15E.  If I had made an error, and not been able to reduce the AOA and stop the yaw, the plane would have ultimately entered an equally predictable upright spin after flopping around a bit getting to the right energy state.  The T-37 was a really fun plane to fly once you understood exactly what it could and could not do :)  The same maneuver in the T-6 (or a student doing the same thing by accident) might destroy the engine due to excessive prop shaft bearing loads, so we couldn't explore the flight envelope quite as much or let students go quite as far in the T-6.
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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2013, 12:21:15 PM »
eagl that reminds me of flight testing Cessna was doing for the new military primary flight trainer proposal. Every 100 spins they stuck a decal on the side of the aircraft like a kill emblem. A couple of those prototypes had a side full of stickers as they tested spin behavior in all kinds of attitudes, atmospheric conditions, weights and cg locations. Beech was awarded the contract with what became the T-6 Texan II.
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Re: HiTech taking a buddy flying?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2013, 12:42:54 PM »
If anything the scenery reminds me of New Zealand. I don't recognise the aircraft type???

Same video popped up on Youtube (possibly the original) where the aircraft is idendified as an Alpha 160.  Which lends some credibility to the idea this is in NZ since Alpha is a NZ aircraft company.  I've never seen one in the states, don't know if they import here or not.