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hydrogen conversion for cars?
« on: August 06, 2013, 12:19:01 PM »
I considered doing it to my 05 Toyota corolla s. Almost seems too good to be true that I can turn 33 mpg into 66+  :headscratch: plus the risk (if any) of getting water into your block. There are dozens of videos however that swear by this mechanism im just not sure though. Have any of you done this to your vehicle with any results? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhgRyCHdzo
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5nld6HzEjM  :uhoh
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Re: hydrogen conversion for cars?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2013, 12:24:55 PM »
I considered doing it to my 05 Toyota corolla s. Almost seems too good to be true that I can turn 33 mpg into 66+  :headscratch: plus the risk (if any) of getting water into your block. There are dozens of videos however that swear by this mechanism im just not sure though. Have any of you done this to your vehicle with any results? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhgRyCHdzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5nld6HzEjM  :uhoh

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Re: hydrogen conversion for cars?
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2013, 12:29:24 PM »
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  Good luck with it!         You know. there is a reason we don't have hydrogen powered cars.

     BTW this HHO stuff has been around for years,funny how all the claims made are never confirmed.  More Torque,more HP,I didn't see a dyno chart to show this.

 Oh and claims of 100% efficiency....bah that defies the laws of physics,but go ahead knock yourself out and try it,doesnt cost much to make a HHO generator.



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Re: hydrogen conversion for cars?
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2013, 12:31:20 PM »
There was a mythbusters episode about this stuff... they said it was a hoax. But who knows, perhaps they were paid off by the oil industry!

I just did a search on that myth busters episode and apparently they did it wrong. This is what I found. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydEkV-E0mP8  :old: Extremely interesting. The water lacked electrolytes via baking soda.  :rock

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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2013, 12:36:21 PM »
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  Good luck with it!         You know. there is a reason we don't have hydrogen powered cars.

     BTW this HHO stuff has been around for years,funny how all the claims made are never confirmed.  More Torque,more HP,I didn't see a dyno chart to show this.

 Oh and claims of 100% efficiency....bah that defies the laws of physics,but go ahead knock yourself out and try it,doesnt cost much to make a HHO generator.



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FabKPIltISU not debating just this video has some insight I suppose. What is the reason you believe we do not have them?

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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2013, 12:42:05 PM »
     Now this was years ago, but I remember reading that hydrogen powered vehicles had trouble
finding a storage medium that would readily release the hydrogen after storing it safely.  The smallest
vehicle they could refit at the time was a city bus.  They find a new method?
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2013, 12:54:24 PM »
     Now this was years ago, but I remember reading that hydrogen powered vehicles had trouble
finding a storage medium that would readily release the hydrogen after storing it safely.  The smallest
vehicle they could refit at the time was a city bus.  They find a new method?

hybrid design, mixes hydrogen with fuel via hose split

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2013, 12:59:25 PM »
If you ask me, we don't have hydrogen cars because hydrogen is a weaker fuel source (at least in the forms it's easiest to store it at). Fewer molecular bonds to break   (only 1 per molecule) equates to less energy upon combustion.

Thus you would need a big engine to deliver the same power as a smaller gasoline engine.

Storage of fuel is also an issue.
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Re: hydrogen conversion for cars?
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2013, 01:09:24 PM »


Storage of fuel is also an issue.

got plenty of trunk space, under the hood too if you want. People make there own bay for it, only takes about 2 gallons of water. as far as power, your mixing it with fuel. so I see you u mean of power loss but if any not much. People claim it evens "cleans out your engine" and saying for the first moments of running u will see unwanted composites blow out of your exhaust. 

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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2013, 01:56:25 PM »
Read an article a couple years back about a demo car Mazda built and tested.  It used the rotary engine, which they claimed could run off of either gasoline or Hydrogen without any reconfiguration, so it could switch fuel on-the-fly.  The car had two separate fuel tanks for both fuels, though the H2 tank was much smaller, providing only about 50mi of range.

Also, during the G.W. Bush presidency, H2-powered auto tech (either via direct combustion or H2 fuel cells) was being pushed by the Administration as the preferred "clean" technology.  It has quite a few advantages over battery powered e-cars and hybrids, and several other major manufacturers were developing them.  When the Administration changed, government subsidies dried up and were replace with subsidies of electric cars so the major manufacturers dropped development (or so I understand).  One major advantage of H2 as a fuel source is that it can be produced ahead of time and stored indefinitely, even from other "green" sources of electrical power such as wind and solar.  And H2 is actually not nearly as unstable as most people think (I might be mistaken, but I believe I read somewhere that gasoline vapor is actually more inflammable than hydrogen).  Plus, filling up with H2 takes no more time than filling up your tank with gasoline, a clear advantage over pure electric cars.  Finally, producing H2 is fairly simple; you could produce a system to generate and store it that would take up no more room than an ATM. Imagine having that in your garage (or at least just outside). It would take household electric current and overnight replenish the holding tank, so you always have a full tank ready at home.
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Re: hydrogen conversion for cars?
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2013, 02:01:51 PM »
Read an article a couple years back about a demo car Mazda built and tested.  It used the rotary engine, which they claimed could run off of either gasoline or Hydrogen without any reconfiguration, so it could switch fuel on-the-fly.  The car had two separate fuel tanks for both fuels, though the H2 tank was much smaller, providing only about 50mi of range.

Also, during the G.W. Bush presidency, H2-powered auto tech (either via direct combustion or H2 fuel cells) was being pushed by the Administration as the preferred "clean" technology.  It has quite a few advantages over battery powered e-cars and hybrids, and several other major manufacturers were developing them.  When the Administration changed, government subsidies dried up and were replace with subsidies of electric cars so the major manufacturers dropped development (or so I understand).  One major advantage of H2 as a fuel source is that it can be produced ahead of time and stored indefinitely, even from other "green" sources of electrical power such as wind and solar.  And H2 is actually not nearly as unstable as most people think (I might be mistaken, but I believe I read somewhere that gasoline vapor is actually more inflammable than hydrogen).  Plus, filling up with H2 takes no more time than filling up your tank with gasoline, a clear advantage over pure electric cars.  Finally, producing H2 is fairly simple; you could produce a system to generate and store it that would take up no more room than an ATM. Imagine having that in your garage (or at least just outside). It would take household electric current and overnight replenish the holding tank, so you always have a full tank ready at home.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3GDjVskYIs apparently hydrogen (being considered a weapons gas) cannot be bought but can be produced...

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Re: hydrogen conversion for cars?
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2013, 02:28:50 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FabKPIltISU not debating just this video has some insight I suppose. What is the reason you believe we do not have them?

 There isn't a single reason but many,first and foremost is $$$$$.

  If you think a quart of water holds enough hydrogen to power your car think again.

 Just compare th BTU potential of gasoline compared to hydrogen and most of the answers can be found.


   These HHO generators are great for amazing your friends,turn it on and wait a few seconds for some hydrogen to develop then light the output hose on fire!  make water burn.... :O   But as far as powering or even adding a noticeable difference in fuel economy,power or torque,I highly doubt it simply because the hydrogen isn't compressed enough to have any volume.


  But hey like I said,knock yourself out,build a unit,they are easy enough to do and install,just make sure you use a desent power supply......Oh ya did you think the water turned to hydrogen on it's own?

   Please let me know how it works out for you!   BTW there are systems already made and for sale if you cant be bothered to make one,they don't work either.


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Re: hydrogen conversion for cars?
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2013, 02:45:45 PM »
There isn't a single reason but many,first and foremost is $$$$$.

  If you think a quart of water holds enough hydrogen to power your car think again.

 Just compare th BTU potential of gasoline compared to hydrogen and most of the answers can be found.


   These HHO generators are great for amazing your friends,turn it on and wait a few seconds for some hydrogen to develop then light the output hose on fire!  make water burn.... :O   But as far as powering or even adding a noticeable difference in fuel economy,power or torque,I highly doubt it simply because the hydrogen isn't compressed enough to have any volume.


  But hey like I said,knock yourself out,build a unit,they are easy enough to do and install,just make sure you use a desent power supply......Oh ya did you think the water turned to hydrogen on it's own?

   Please let me know how it works out for you!   BTW there are systems already made and for sale if you cant be bothered to make one,they don't work either.


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well il let you know if I make one and it does work. there just seems to be a lot of evidence that it works from multiple sources I don't think a quart of water has enough to power a car but im talking hybrid. hydrogen, gas, pros cons sure. You can make a hydrogen generator and fill tanks however as shown above. But im just considering making a hybrid unit just to play at first. If output seems enough, il do some testing.  :cheers:

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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2013, 04:16:59 PM »
I'll also note that Honda has been running a pilot program in a city in CA for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.  All the advantages of electric cars, but the fast-refill capability of conventional fuel cars.  Honda leased the cars to the participating individuals, and placed a number of refueling stations. See http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/ for more details.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2013, 04:45:49 PM »
if it was that simple to make and it actually worked then we would have a lot of local mechanics offering it. but this sounds more like the "big cure" pharma companies dont want you to know.




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