hydrogen conversion for cars?

[killjoy1]

This company has it all figured out.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/h2.htm

They moved their operation from NM to Flint, MI to take advantage of the labor pool.  Their only problem is rare earth.  They need rare earth for the hydride tanks and as soon as they moved to flint, all mining and production of rare earth stopped except for China.  Go figure.   The cost went up 600% and made the system too expensive.  They seem close to a work around. 

Their main page
http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

[guncrasher]

This company has it all figured out.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/h2.htm

They moved their operation from NM to Flint, MI to take advantage of the labor pool.  Their only problem is rare earth.  They need rare earth for the hydride tanks and as soon as they moved to flint, all mining and production of rare earth stopped except for China.  Go figure.   The cost went up 600% and made the system too expensive.  They seem close to a work around.  

Their main page
http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

which rare earth element are they missing?  had  to look them up as it's been a long time since i took chemistry in middle school.  there's 17 of them

another edit:  most rare elements are plentiful with the exception of radioactive promethium.  but then again it's wikipedia, what do they know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earth_element


semp

edit: at the risk of sounding old.  there was only like 11 when i was in school  

[guncrasher]

one more thing.  really from NM to MI to take advantage of the labor pool?  not enough minimum wage workers in NM?  that's a first.

semp

[guncrasher]

crap one more warning post.  if a site has a link to warn people that they're the real thing unlike the other scammers.  send me 10$ and I'll explain why.


semp

[GScholz]

Electricity is used to split water into H2 and O. The electricity is taken from the battery. The gasoline engine produces the power to recharge the battery. There is no gain in this whatsoever, only loss.

[Tank-Ace]

Yeah, sky guns, it's physically impossible for a unit using water, and converting it to H2 on the spot to add fuel efficiency. And I mean this literally; you would have to violate the laws of physics for it to work.


You want some quick magic solution to your problem. Don't let them tell you what you want to hear; they'll gladly take your money, and waste even more of your gas.

[Skyguns MKII]

Electricity is used to split water into H2 and O. The electricity is taken from the battery. The gasoline engine produces the power to recharge the battery. There is no gain in this whatsoever, only loss.

that's is a point but is the outtake truely more than the intake?. To make it clear to ALL im not endorsing them yet. I might just make my own for test purposes and a hobby if anything.

[Skyguns MKII]

Yeah, sky guns, it's physically impossible for a unit using water, and converting it to H2 on the spot to add fuel efficiency. And I mean this literally; you would have to violate the laws of physics for it to work.


You want some quick magic solution to your problem. Don't let them tell you what you want to hear; they'll gladly take your money, and waste even more of your gas.

how do you think industrial hydrogen generators work? its on the spot just not hooked up to a engine but can actualy work once stored in great volume. The idea is not making a hydrogen car only a hydrogen gas hybrid. Hydrogen mixes with the fuel making for a hybrid.  if I decide to do this its on my own. making my own device for my own hobbyish kicks. not buying from anybody..  

[Lusche]

[GScholz]

that's is a point but is the outtake truely more than the intake?. To make it clear to ALL im not endorsing them yet. I might just make my own for test purposes and a hobby if anything.

The energy needed to split the water molecule is the same as the energy you get from combining it again. If you gain some mgp out of it it is because you're running your battery down to make hydrogen. You'll get less loss of energy if you just put an electric motor in the drive train and hook it up to the battery, but still you'll ultimately lose fuel since the engine has to recharge the battery at some point.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

The energy needed to split the water molecule is the same as the energy you get from combining it again. If you gain some mgp out of it it is because you're running your battery down to make hydrogen. You'll get less loss of energy if you just put an electric motor in the drive train and hook it up to the battery, but still you'll ultimately lose fuel since the engine has to recharge the battery at some point.

Uhh, plug in the battery charger - a poor mans hybrid! 

[smoe]

Uhh, plug in the battery charger - a poor mans hybrid! 

Or just use a really long extension cord.

[eagl]

Sell your gas car and get a used diesel VW.  Cheapest way to turn a 30 mpg car into a 50 mpg car.

My uncle in Denmark has a small diesel station wagon.  I drove it about 8 years ago.  About 1.5L turbo diesel, the size of a Subaru outback, drives like any other car including plenty of power, and he gets around 50 mpg.  Impressive, but US diesel gas still isn't good enough quality to import.  There's your conspiracy, why we have high sulfur low quality diesel when Europe has had much cleaner burning diesel for well over a decade.  Our answer is small displacement direct injection turbocharged gasoline motors, but they're still behind the latest diesel motors in terms of efficiency.  And we still don't have them, because our diesel fuel quality isn't where it needs to be, so those diesel motors can only be imported if they have additional expensive tech to clean up the exhaust.

There's a conspiracy theory you can chase around all week, if you like   It isn't very popular though, because people seem to agree on the basic facts which make it a rather boring, even if true, conspiracy.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Sell your gas car and get a used diesel VW.  Cheapest way to turn a 30 mpg car into a 50 mpg car.

My uncle in Denmark has a small diesel station wagon.  I drove it about 8 years ago.  About 1.5L turbo diesel, the size of a Subaru outback, drives like any other car including plenty of power, and he gets around 50 mpg.  Impressive, but US diesel gas still isn't good enough quality to import.  There's your conspiracy, why we have high sulfur low quality diesel when Europe has had much cleaner burning diesel for well over a decade.  Our answer is small displacement direct injection turbocharged gasoline motors, but they're still behind the latest diesel motors in terms of efficiency.  And we still don't have them, because our diesel fuel quality isn't where it needs to be, so those diesel motors can only be imported if they have additional expensive tech to clean up the exhaust.

There's a conspiracy theory you can chase around all week, if you like   It isn't very popular though, because people seem to agree on the basic facts which make it a rather boring, even if true, conspiracy.

Even better an old diesel Mercedes, the C200/E200 diesels get awesome mpg while having merc comfort and relatively good performance at 160ish hp.

[Bizman]

Not to mention making your own diesel fuel out of used frying oil available maybe even for free at the local hamburger bar. That's something I'd like to experiment with but I doubt it wouldn't work too well in wintertime.