hydrogen conversion for cars?

[SIK1]

Not to mention making your own diesel fuel out of used frying oil available maybe even for free at the local hamburger bar. That's something I'd like to experiment with but I doubt it wouldn't work too well in wintertime.

In the US you have to be careful making your own fuel out of used oil. Not because of anything inherently wrong with the process or oil but because the DOT still wants their tax money. If the vehicle is used on the road then you must pay the associated taxes that goes with that fuel be it gas, diesel, vegetable, or bio-diesel.

[Skyguns MKII]

The energy needed to split the water molecule is the same as the energy you get from combining it again. If you gain some mgp out of it it is because you're running your battery down to make hydrogen. You'll get less loss of energy if you just put an electric motor in the drive train and hook it up to the battery, but still you'll ultimately lose fuel since the engine has to recharge the battery at some point.

says it requires about 29 amps for some. People seem to hook them up straight up to the alternator. if that's an output issue. Il just use a higher output alternator or attach a pully so a secondary. No loss

[GScholz]

The alternator draws power (hp) from the engine to create the electricity to charge the battery. There is no such thing as free energy. You have to spend energy to split the water molecules, and that procedure incurs efficiency losses. You then get the same energy back through combustion in the engine, but again you incur efficiency losses in the conversion process. All in all you'll get worse fuel efficiency. There is no way you can split a molecule(H2O into H2 and O) and put it back together (H2 and O into H2O) and gain energy.

[Tank-Ace]

says it requires about 29 amps for some. People seem to hook them up straight up to the alternator. if that's an output issue. Il just use a higher output alternator or attach a pully so a secondary. No loss

False, that is a physical impossibility. There can never be 100% efficiency, just as you can never get more power than you put in to a system.

Energy WILL be lost in the form of heat, and thus you will actually be losing both fuel efficiency and power in the long run.

[Skyguns MKII]

The alternator draws power (hp) from the engine to create the electricity to charge the battery. There is no such thing as free energy. You have to spend energy to split the water molecules, and that procedure incurs efficiency losses. You then get the same energy back through combustion in the engine, but again you incur efficiency losses in the conversion process. All in all you'll get worse fuel efficiency. There is no way you can split a molecule(H2O into H2 and O) and put it back together (H2 and O into H2O) and gain energy.

I already understand the concept of no free energy, Iv made a home made turbine with the ability to charge battery banks to power a house for days when done right. Efficiency is all you need. A more efficient alternator or mech that powers a separate alternator without drawing too much horsepower from your engine (could use pully torq on my side too by changing ratios). The more efficient your electrical producer the less power is requires by your engine. Also how you make this device is important too as far as efficiency. I could use the suns energy if I really wanted to by ripping off a solar panel off the roof im under and bolt it to my car. and get my power from that and not my engine for all I cared. IE a 3 way hybrid. efficiency = better output than required input. that's not free energy that distribution of proper energy.  

[Tank-Ace]

Skyguns, you clearly have it in your head that this will work, and are going to do it anyway. Don't bother wasting server space if you just want to be told what you want to hear.

[Skyguns MKII]

False, that is a physical impossibility. There can never be 100% efficiency, just as you can never get more power than you put in to a system.

Energy WILL be lost in the form of heat, and thus you will actually be losing both fuel efficiency and power in the long run.

a bit quick to claim no loss on my part that's of course not true nor what I meant. Simply saying that for the fact of efficiency, not claiming 100% efficiency

[Skyguns MKII]

Skyguns, you clearly have it in your head that this will work, and are going to do it anyway. Don't bother wasting server space if you just want to be told what you want to hear.

  dude like I said, not endorsing this one bit and if I am only for hobby or test use. I do however enjoy a intellectual conversation and/or debate    don't be rude now I learn from conversations like these   

[Skyguns MKII]

Skyguns, you clearly have it in your head that this will work, and are going to do it anyway. Don't bother wasting server space if you just want to be told what you want to hear.

also understand young skywalker that when I talk to people about this topic. (That im not endorsing  ) I simply want people opinions and facts they have to offer (such as yours) because they make for good variables in testing. I do this for a hobby man.  

[Tank-Ace]

Then learn. Don't try to find some clever solution around what we're saying, cause I guarantee most of us have thought of these things at one point or another.

The solar panel would completely screw with the aerodynamics of your car. You might easily drop your fuel economy below the 30mpg mark with such a setup. The only way for a hydrogen hybrid system to increase fuel efficiency is to use already gaseous hydrogen, and increase the air in the mixture so it has something to burn. And then of course you'd have to go through the process of finding the stoichiometric ratio that will give you the most fuel efficiency with your new fuel mixture, etc.

[GScholz]

Use that turbine of yours to make the hydrogen at home, then put it in your car. Don't blow up your house...

[FLOOB]

Ever notice the vendors of these things never provide any empirical data to show that these things work. That's a huge BS flag right there. I mean surely while they were doing the research and development they had to keep a record of the numbers and data right? Otherwise how would they know it works? All they have to backup their claims is anecdotal reports. The demonstrations I've seen for these things are laughable. A video of some guy filling up his car, driving from point A to point B, filling up the tank again and literally using the numbers from the gas pump to make comparisons. I mean these guys invent a supposedly revolutionary, ingenious product and these are the best, most precise scientific methods that they can come up with to prove their product? lol.

[Skyguns MKII]

Then learn. Don't try to find some clever solution around what we're saying, cause I guarantee most of us have thought of these things at one point or another.

The solar panel would completely screw with the aerodynamics of your car. You might easily drop your fuel economy below the 30mpg mark with such a setup. The only way for a hydrogen hybrid system to increase fuel efficiency is to use already gaseous hydrogen, and increase the air in the mixture so it has something to burn. And then of course you'd have to go through the process of finding the stoichiometric ratio that will give you the most fuel efficiency with your new fuel mixture, etc.

Am learning   from the community. Need to understand that with every idea shot down is the spawn of a alternative perhaps even more efficient one. So if I came off as a know it all then for that il apologize   but not what im trying to achieve. Simply trying to learn all negative factors from individuals such as yourself at this point to learn my options. Ever been in a think tank?  The solar idea was kinda a joke though, I realize that. Im addicted to building stuff and finding a way  

[Skyguns MKII]

Use that turbine of yours to make the hydrogen at home, then put it in your car. Don't blow up your house...

its already been done though 

[FLOOB]

Don't forget to put in the crystals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3LHAlcrTRA