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Offline Oldman731

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When you meet a new cadet
« on: August 17, 2013, 12:12:42 AM »
Bustr made this fine point in another thread:

"Years ago some of you guys would have invited that newbie to the DA to help him instead of repeatedly smacking him down or enjoying watching him repeatedly auger."


We've all had the experience, where we realize early in the fight that we're way ahead of the other guy.  I've tried different things over the years.  Usually I just break off and say something like "let's try that again!"  Then re-merge, sooner or later he augurs or he gets in a good shot.

So how do you others encourage the younger players?  What do you think are the best methods?

- oldman

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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2013, 12:17:26 AM »
to make sure to use the ".country 1" command...
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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2013, 12:47:38 AM »
Stay behind him yelling PEW PEW over the mic or in chat until he augers, or reassure him that FBCrabby is not lying and .country 1 will give him an aimbot.
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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2013, 01:09:11 AM »
Coogan <----Never met a cadet I could beat... :furious

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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2013, 06:33:27 AM »
 For me,  getting owned in 2 turns was a motivator to get better when I first started.   Still is today.    :)
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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2013, 06:41:37 AM »
They all have questions as we did once. Perhaps some straight forward answers vs the Alt-F4 gag. I find a lot of seasoned vets do lend a hand but way too many chime in with the "smart alec" quips.

My .02  :old:

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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2013, 06:46:23 AM »
I try to answer if I am not already in the middle of something to help new folks out. I have seen, and approve whole heartedly, of some squads I have seen who talk to new folks and bring them onboard. Sometimes this happens unofficially and sometimes they actually bring them onboard, and sometimes it is even openly temporarily. They then train them up some and tell them that it is ok if they decide to leave the squad after awhile. It gives them a good support mechanism to enter into the community and to learn versus being frustrated by the learning curve.

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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2013, 07:19:54 AM »
100coogn I like your maps...just printed them out  :aok

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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2013, 09:50:39 AM »
They all have questions as we did once. Perhaps some straight forward answers vs the Alt-F4 gag. I find a lot of seasoned vets do lend a hand but way too many chime in with the "smart alec" quips.

My .02  :old:


Some ppl just think they are funnier than they actually are. No matter what one tells them, they're always going to believe they are hilarious... :rolleyes:

I was covering a noob's six a couple of days ago. I didn't tell him, but he knew I had been helping him with other stuff. It's actually a lot harder than I thought it would be, I wasn't worried about watching my 6 much, just trying to intercept and keep eny off his. What was really difficult was trying to predict where he was going and to stay there, without communicating with him. I was amazed, much easier to stay on an enemy than a noob who doesn't know you're covering...
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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2013, 11:15:28 AM »
For me,  getting owned in 2 turns was a motivator to get better when I first started.   Still is today.    :)

same here ive now made it 3 or 4 turns in some fights lol

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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2013, 11:37:50 AM »
Stay behind him yelling PEW PEW over the mic or in chat until he augers, or reassure him that FBCrabby is not lying and .country 1 will give him an aimbot.

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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2013, 01:23:44 PM »
We need some sort of sticky threads that have screenshots of the various dialog windows of the game to help a new player set up his game to his liking.

Give the thread a distinctive title so google search finds it easily.

When you see a new player, you can tell him to open up google and search the distinctive title of the thread/s and everybody wins.

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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2013, 03:59:57 PM »
Bustr made this fine point in another thread:

"Years ago some of you guys would have invited that newbie to the DA to help him instead of repeatedly smacking him down or enjoying watching him repeatedly auger."

So how do you others encourage the younger players?  What do you think are the best methods?

- oldman

First of all, I would take them to the TA, not the DA.  The Training Arena is designed specifically for training and learning, in that you can shoot each-other without damage.  This allows you to see, feel and confirm when you have a gun solution, instead of playing "taka taka" style, and without ending the fight when you land hits.  When you land steady pings on a guy, he knows he's dead and you just reset, instead of having to re-up.  I think it is much easier to learn (as a newbie) from a more continuous session, than from a dueling approach.

Second, if possible, bring a friend.  If you have a squaddy who is willing to help out, you can have the new guy ride along while you demonstrate ACM (or whatever they want to know) and show and explain the applications against another plane.  When I was involved in training in Warbirds, many training sessions would begin with or include one trainer flying against another trainer to demonstrate something while the trainee rode along.  Sometimes people have to see it before they can do it (or wrap their heads around the concept).  I did this a couple weeks ago with a new guy who said he was having trouble in the Pony dealing with good turning planes.  I happened to see him in the TA while some of my squaddies were there, so I had him ride with me while I showed him the High Yo Yo vs. one of my squad-mates.  Then I had him try them on me until he got the feel for it.  Sure enough, it clicked after just a few tries, as he had the basics of the maneuver down from seeing it first.  The next day he posted in the help forum that he had gotten a kill using the High Yo Yo.  That was rewarding stuff to see that.

Find out what they want to do/know.  It's hard to teach people something they are not interested in learning/practicing, so make sure you are addressing their interest some, before getting into all the basic BFM/ACM.  If you can address a specific problem they are having (or think they are having) that is always a great start toward getting their interest.  This way you also avoid hitting them with too much information at once.  There is SO much to learn in the game that it is easy to get overloaded, or even frustrated, with too much info at once.

That's my two pennies from the stuff I can think of off hand.

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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2013, 11:15:07 AM »
I club them.
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Re: When you meet a new cadet
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2013, 12:31:31 PM »
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Perhaps some straight forward answers vs the Alt-F4 gag.
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If, on the other hand, you want an actual answer, get on channel and say something intentionally wrong and you will get endless fact based responses correcting you :)
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