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Offline Cjpedrido

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Darbar Warning System
« on: August 19, 2013, 12:19:56 AM »
I am a Bomber Pilot...like many of us we are frustrated with the Darbar Warning System.

We spend almost 60 minutes or more climbing to the highest altitude and across as many sectors as possible to attain this feat.

Our efforts are all in vain because the opposition "sees" us coming way before we are even close.  Everyone understands HT initiates as many side balancing rules as possible.  Darbar is one of these "balancing" rules.

But it really is a significant disadvantage to Buff Pilots and a significant advantage to defending fighters.  So how is this fair or balanced?

Get rid of the darbar for bomber pilots.

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Offline Bobcat81

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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2013, 12:30:18 AM »
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no

Learn to use guns or earn the respect of others enough to gun for you, or escort you.
We cant have phantom bombers shutting everything down all willy nilly.
I enjoy high altitude fighting, and the majority of it comes from escorting bombers.
It promotes combat. I cant approve of anything that discourages combat. :devil
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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2013, 12:36:12 AM »
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuh-no.
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Offline Nathan60

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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2013, 01:27:15 AM »
Figure a vtard would ask for this.
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Offline uptown

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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2013, 03:38:33 AM »
I am a Bomber Pilot...like many of us we are frustrated with the Darbar Warning System.

We spend almost 60 minutes or more climbing to the highest altitude and across as many sectors as possible to attain this feat.

Our efforts are all in vain because the opposition "sees" us coming way before we are even close.  Everyone understands HT initiates as many side balancing rules as possible.  Darbar is one of these "balancing" rules.

But it really is a significant disadvantage to Buff Pilots and a significant advantage to defending fighters.  So how is this fair or balanced?

Get rid of the darbar for bomber pilots.

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Doesn't your bombers come equipped with guns?  :rolleyes:
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Offline asterix

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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2013, 04:32:57 AM »
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I like flying and intercepting bombers myself. You can hide your buffs by staying in a sector with low friendly cons and a dar already present. The point of intercepting bombers is before they drop their bombs. Afterwards it is usually a long chase especially if they do their climbing profile. Less bomber pilots seem to bail with ords on board and if they do I feel less frustrated because they do not destroy anything and thus get no points. If you want survivability then a B17 is the way to go.
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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2013, 05:34:19 AM »
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Offline Scca

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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2013, 08:23:22 AM »
Figure a vtard would ask for this.
Not nice....


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Offline Karnak

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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2013, 08:32:04 AM »
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Learn to use guns or earn the respect of others enough to gun for you, or escort you.
We cant have phantom bombers shutting everything down all willy nilly.
I enjoy high altitude fighting, and the majority of it comes from escorting bombers.
It promotes combat. I cant approve of anything that discourages combat. :devil
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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2013, 08:33:03 AM »
I am a Bomber Pilot...like many of us we are frustrated with the Darbar Warning System.

I am a bomber pilot too, and I am not frustrated with the Darbar warning system (as long as it works, that is)

The request is absurd.
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Offline Slate

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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2013, 09:06:54 AM »

     Nice map GScholz.  :aok

   I often find an enemy contact an enjoyable break to the bordom of a long strat run.  :D

   Like others have said Once I dump ords on target I'm up for a fight and disappointed if I never make it to target. (War is Hell) If a fighter gets to me before my target he has done his job. Even if he gets one drone he has effected my damage by 1/3.

   163's are deadly only in good hands. Most will zoom in at high speed to avoid guns and a quick maneuver can throw him off and waste his small load of ammo.
    Ta 152, P-47, 109's When these fighters get up to you it's trouble and more than likely a pilot that knows how to use them. You don't have many options if you choose to attack deep into enemy airspace unescorted. The Allies found this out the hard way prompting them to use long range escort.
     
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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2013, 11:02:56 AM »
You climb to absurd heights where auto ack and ground vehicles can't touch you and the only way to have a fair fight is to up a fighter and try to climb up to the height in a short time and you say it's unfair? WOW !!
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Offline Fulcrum

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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2013, 11:07:19 AM »

Get rid of the darbar for bomber pilots.

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Offline Zoney

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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2013, 11:18:04 AM »
I believe the darbar system is fair.  I think it mimics the multiple warning sources employed during the war.  They had ground observers, observers on ships, some radar, and inflight observers that would give basically the same information we get, that aircraft are in a given area.  Maybe there was more information than what we get, not less.  They would probably have known the altitude of the aircraft, the type and the direction also.  Even with the darbar system we have, it's not exacly easy to be in the right place, at the right time, with the right aircraft for interception.  This darbar system, remember, also gives bombers information about approaching enemy aircraft making it difficult to really sneak up on bombers with interceptors.

I know I am mainly a fighterpuke now but I have done alot of bombing in the past and I never thought the system was unfair then.  If I may humbly suggest, bomber pilots could learn alot about how to survive an interception by flying interception's them selves.  Conversly, fighter pilots who want to learn bomber interception will learn alot by flying a bomber and observing what makes a good interception.

I see alot of posts that are really asking to make the game easier and I understand, that as a new guy there is alot to learn and a price to pay for that education.  After you have "learned" the different aspects of the game, then it is the challenge of using those skills in a difficult game that has a reward for excellence.
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Re: Darbar Warning System
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2013, 11:25:19 AM »
My only complaint about dar bar is that it works in the middle of the ocean. It seems to me it should only work within a sector or two of land, really a non issue, just a detail. As far as advantage bomber advantage fighter I'd say a bomber is always at a disadvantage to the more skilled fighter pilots but against a lot of players a B17 clipping along at 30 k has a lot going for it. I think your odds are worse if you bomb hq or the strats when they are near hq as rocket aces are pretty deadly although zapping one 163 compensates for a lot busted flights.

As a side note I'd like to see guys that up a strat mission with three or more formations and a fighter get some perks just for organizing and committing the time. Last time I saw one a bunch of people were defending. Stimulates an infrequent kind of game play in the LWA.
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