Darbar Warning System

[DubiousKB]

They had ground observers, observers on ships, some radar, and inflight observers that would give basically the same information we get, that aircraft are in a given area.

Some valid points I hadn't considered... 

I do agree that a small tweek may be in order, however. I just have a hard time understanding, especially on larger maps with more distance between "front lines" and the relatively safe rear (HQ & Strategic Factories), why the enemy countries have the ability to see a radar bar as deep into enemy territory as we see in the MA. I can watch a large strat raid coming for 40 minutes... Granted that allows time for a defensive, but it seems somewhat unfair to the buff pilot to immediately indicate to the other two teams that a climb out is occurring.

Personally, as per the drawing posted above, I would like to see a two tiered radar system in place which only extends a certain distance beyond the "front line" bases. The first tier indicates lower-level aircraft (200ft - 25k ft), and a second further reaching high altitude radar indicator (25k-Space). This would still allow a country to have an understanding of the enemy aircraft's intent as they enter friendly airspace, high alt dar bar flashing, seems to be buffs carrying through to targets deep in friendly territory.... Dar bar is standard and huge, looks like our front line base(s) are under attack, SCRAMBLE!

The only part I'm having trouble explaining is the implementation.... Do we have two distinct dar bars indicating high or low alt contacts? Also I'm not sure what would be an acceptable range fro the low and high alt dars to extend.... I'm assuming that these distances would be a function of the map size, as well as, distance between initial front line bases.

  

[Wiley]

I can watch a large strat raid coming for 40 minutes... Granted that allows time for a defensive, but it seems somewhat unfair to the buff pilot to immediately indicate to the other two teams that a climb out is occurring.

Considering the frequency with which it's done, is it really that big of a deal?  I've rarely seen more than a half dozen guys straggling up to attempt a defense even though the bardar's been visible and called out on country for half an hour.  In actual gameplay, the vast majority don't generally take notice of a bardar until it's over friendly territory, then they either up 163's or take off, see how high the buffs are, and go find something else to do.

I think it's a non-issue considering the number of people who actually use the bar dar and actually intercept buff missions.  Additionally, one unescorted bomber should be a death ride, not a free shot at the strats if it stays out of the dar circles.

Wiley.

[Flossy]

So in other words you want to make a Milk Run?   

I'm also a bomber pilot but expect to be intercepted by fighters and practice my gunning. 

[DubiousKB]

So in other words you want to make a Milk Run?   

I'm also a bomber pilot but expect to be intercepted by fighters and practice my gunning. 

I don't mind the interception at all, I love gunning down little pests in my B-17 just as much as the next pilot  ... I just thought that it may be a little unbalanced in favor of seeing "unseeable aircraft" while they are still deep within their own territory .

 I do agree with you Wiley in that most defenders don't organize a defensive as a unit but rather sporadically up fighters to intercept. Meh  I just thought it was a very interesting concept which may be worth exploring... 

[Zoney]

I have escorted many smart bomber raids to the strats that make a feint that at the very least, cast some doubt as to their intended target.  I wish there were more frankly as I really do enjoy escorting buffs to a strat raid.  For me, that's actually more fun than the defense.  The reward for this is the fun of helping the buffers get to their target and get home because I normally don't get the same number of kills as I do defending the strats.  Not all strat raids are going to have 163's as sometimes the strats are forward of the 163 bases and just too far to get to with a 163.  I think this is when you buffers should really get big missions organized to the strats.  On that note, anytime you want escorts please PM me and make sure you tell me this is going to happen, if you are Knights anyway 

[SmokinLoon]

I understand the frustration.  However, I suggest you obtain the services of a fighter escort or two. 

With everything being said, I do however think that an experiment in having a delay in the radar bar wouldn't be a bad idea.  It certainly adds a bit of "fog of war", and it forces the interceptor to think twice about going up w/o a drop tank. 

[Lusche]

In actual gameplay, the vast majority don't generally take notice of a bardar until it's over friendly territory

Now ain't that the truth


t-40 Huge darbar spotted, forming over enemy high alt base. First general alert given

t-20 Enemy multi-sector darbar slowly creeping towards the strats. One or two interceptors have upped and give detailed info about force composition, heading and altitude. Nothing happens

t-10 The already long identified strat raid passes over some friendly bases on his way to the factory. For the first time there is some frantic activity:
"ALERT A30... get supps out! Run supps to the town!"  Wirbels appear on the base, vainly firing at the 27K B-17s overhead. Finally a number of fighter try to intercept... taking off behind the enemy high alt raid, from the base that just had been overflown

t-0 The factories are getting smashed. "Hordelings! Alt-monkeys! No way anybody could intercept this!"

t+10 "Need resuppers for the strats!" 

[Wiley]

Now ain't that the truth


t-40 Huge darbar spotted, forming over enemy high alt base. First general alert given

t-20 Enemy multi-sector darbar slowly creeping towards the strats. One or two interceptors have upped and give detailed info about force composition, heading and altitude. Nothing happens

t-10 The already long identified strat raid passes over some friendly bases on his way to the factory. For the first time there is some frantic activity:
"ALERT A30... get supps out! Run supps to the town!"  Wirbels appear on the base, vainly firing at the 27K B-17s overhead. Finally a number of fighter try to intercept... taking off behind the enemy high alt raid, from the base that just had been overflown

t-0 The factories are getting smashed. "Hordelings! Alt-monkeys! No way anybody could intercept this!"

t+10 "Need resuppers for the strats!" 

Dead on.  And the worst part about it is, it's pretty much the same every time.

Wiley.

[Karnak]

I had a Spit XIV up from a base as my Mossie XVI passed overhead at 28,000ft.  I watched him try to catch me for the next 35 minutes as I wandered around Bishland bombing their towns.  He never got closer than 3000 yards or so, most of it made up of altitude between me and him. I wondered if he had any idea how futile his intercept plot was from the moment he spawned?

[dedalos]

Now ain't that the truth


t-40 Huge darbar spotted, forming over enemy high alt base. First general alert given

t-20 Enemy multi-sector darbar slowly creeping towards the strats. One or two interceptors have upped and give detailed info about force composition, heading and altitude. Nothing happens

t-10 The already long identified strat raid passes over some friendly bases on his way to the factory. For the first time there is some frantic activity:
"ALERT A30... get supps out! Run supps to the town!"  Wirbels appear on the base, vainly firing at the 27K B-17s overhead. Finally a number of fighter try to intercept... taking off behind the enemy high alt raid, from the base that just had been overflown

t-0 The factories are getting smashed. "Hordelings! Alt-monkeys! No way anybody could intercept this!"

t+10 "Need resuppers for the strats!" 

oh man I missed it. How fun to spent 20 or 30 minutes getting in position to die to buff guns. Please let me know next time. I do not want to miss out on that!!!

What you guys see as people being too dumb to understand whats happening, it is really people having fun doing something else 

[Traveler]

My only question is why is there no radar actually covering the strats?  on each map the strats are devoid of radar coverage.  For that matter, it should be one pilot, one plane.  I'd like to see it like AW had it, you needed a crew to man the guns.  Those bomber mission in AW were fun.  With 10 man crews in B17's. winging together.

[Lusche]

What you guys see as people being too dumb to understand whats happening, it is really people having fun doing something else 

So sitting in a Wirbel under a 27k strat raid is "having fun doing something else"? And so is taking off in a fighter from a field that's just been passed by that raid and tail chasing it for sectors instead of taking off from a high-alt base near their target?

[Lusche]

  For that matter, it should be one pilot, one plane.  I'd like to see it like AW had it, you needed a crew to man the guns.  Those bomber mission in AW were fun.  With 10 man crews in B17's. winging together.

How many players would have a chance to ever get a full crew manning their bomber?

[Getback]

I can sum this up, "I don't wanna die, I don't wanna die, I dont WAAAANNNNNNAAAAAAAA DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"


Never been a better time for bombers. You get to 30k, the wind keeps the fighters at bay. Meanwhile you get to bomb with laser like precision. All good for high alt Bombers.

[Lusche]

You get to 30k, the wind keeps the fighters at bay.

How so?