Darbar Warning System

[Getback]

How so?

When you attack from high alt on bombers the winds or maybe back draft of the bombers causes the fighters to veer. Hence you only light ping them most of the time.

[Lusche]

When you attack from high alt on bombers the winds or maybe back draft of the bombers causes the fighters to veer. Hence you only light ping them most of the time.

I have never noticed anything like that, and I still hunt very high alt bombers quite a lot.

You and the bomber are moving in the same layer of wind at 30k, and so it effects both planes the same way.

[Getback]

I have never noticed anything like that, and I still hunt very high alt bombers quite a lot.

You and the bomber are moving in the same layer of wind at 30k, and so it effects both planes the same way.

Hmm, I know I'm having problems veering off as I attack. Doesn't happen at low alt. What are you attacking them in?

[Lusche]

Hmm, I know I'm having problems veering off as I attack. Doesn't happen at low alt. What are you attacking them in?

Mostly 163, 109k, P-51B, Ta 152h (especially when hunting very high buffs)

I could imagine such an effect when diving down on a bomber at a reasonable lower (15-25k) altitude, as you then may cross one or even several layers. But then, I really haven't noticed any effect trhat would throw me off. Above 28k however, there is no such thing, as that is the final layer and both bomber and fighter are moving in it all the time.

[Getback]

Mostly 163, 109k, P-51B, Ta 152h (especially when hunting very high buffs)

I could imagine such an effect when diving down on a bomber at a reasonable lower (15-25k) altitude, as you then may cross one or even several layers. But then, I really haven't noticed any effect trhat would throw me off. Above 28k however, there is no such thing, as that is the final layer and both bomber and fighter are moving in it all the time.

makes me wonder about my calibration. Been having problems forever. Still though doesn't happen at low alt.

[Traveler]

How many players would have a chance to ever get a full crew manning their bomber?

We seemed to be able to do it in AW..  The pilot also had to option as did crew to jump to different positions.  But I remember flying as a crew member on many a large scale bombing mission with 9 other guys in the same plane.

[Lusche]

We seemed to be able to do it in AW..  The pilot also had to option as did crew to jump to different positions.  But I remember flying as a crew member on many a large scale bombing mission with 9 other guys in the same plane.

I was also told by guys flying AW that it was also difficult there to get that many gunners for the 'average' players. Of course, I can't really comment on that for lack of personal experience.

But I do know that the standard player without years of play to make friends will never get enough gunners to make it worthwile. Even getting just one gunner can be a problem at times, especially if you expect him to have some minimum degree of skill level.
New players could totally forget getting their bomber's crewed adequately.

I think the AH solution (slaved guns, formation) is quite a good one for balance.

[Traveler]

I was also told by guys flying AW that it was also difficult there to get that many gunners for the 'average' players. Of course, I can't really comment on that for lack of personal experience.

But I do know that the standard player without years of play to make friends will never get enough gunners to make it worthwile. Even getting just one gunner can be a problem at times, especially if you expect him to have some minimum degree of skill level.
New players could totally forget getting their bomber's crewed adequately.

I think the AH solution (slaved guns, formation) is quite a good one for balance.

I disagree, I do have actual AW experience, a lot of new players in AW crewed bombers and by doing so made friends and earned invites to squads. I also crewed for new bomber pilots in AW, so based on my experience your statement about New Players is just wrong and not based in fact.  Just because you state it, does not make it so.   At least not based on my experience in AW.

[Lusche]

I disagree, I do have actual AW experience, a lot of new players in AW crewed bombers and by doing so made friends and earned invites to squads. I also crewed for new bomber pilots in AW, so based on my experience your statement about New Players is just wrong and not based in fact. Just because you state it, does not make it so.  

I was also told by guys flying AW that it was also difficult there to get that many gunners for the 'average' players. Of course, I can't really comment on that for lack of personal experience.

[The Fugitive]

I disagree, I do have actual AW experience, a lot of new players in AW crewed bombers and by doing so made friends and earned invites to squads. I also crewed for new bomber pilots in AW, so based on my experience your statement about New Players is just wrong and not based in fact.  Just because you state it, does not make it so.   At least not based on my experience in AW.

I did fly AW and unless you were a known player or a squadmate it was tough to load a buff full.

Also the way the game is played today most people won't gun for anyone else. Hitech has said it was a one or the othere thing too. Either we have formations, or we have multi gunner singles. I personally like having more guns slaved together than MAYBE getting a full load of gunners.

[Traveler]

I did fly AW and unless you were a known player or a squadmate it was tough to load a buff full.

Also the way the game is played today most people won't gun for anyone else. Hitech has said it was a one or the othere thing too. Either we have formations, or we have multi gunner singles. I personally like having more guns slaved together than MAYBE getting a full load of gunners.

 

I guess my problem with the "combat simulation" as it is, is with the slaved guns.  That just doesn't simulate any combat that I'm aware of in WWII.    I'd rather see one pilot, one aircraft with AI gunners as crew than what is currently done. 

[dedalos]

So sitting in a Wirbel under a 27k strat raid is "having fun doing something else"? And so is taking off in a fighter from a field that's just been passed by that raid and tail chasing it for sectors instead of taking off from a high-alt base near their target?

I guess the 3 guys you saw represent the arena?  I see darbar I take off. I have no clue if it is a buf formation or at what alt.  I probably just died ,and looking for the next fight.  If you think people have the time to waste to sit there and study the map for 10 minutes and then climb and position for another 20 or 30 you are fooling yourself.

That Wirbel might have spawned for duf reasons, could be a new guy, etc. It was just one right?  When u see 20 of them doing it I ll agree with you

[Lusche]

Thank you for fully proving my point.

Of course, you didn't get what the point was, but thank you nevertheless 

[Slate]

   I have dozens of sorties as a lone bomber formation making it to target including strats. The radar range has increased from what it was in the past. Perhaps shrinking the range in MW or EW arenas.(early war radar technology weaker)  It may motivate some to populate those arenas more for their unseen attacks.

     But until then CHECK SIX!

    

   I don't think I have enough ammo..........

[dedalos]

Thank you for fully proving my point.

Of course, you didn't get what the point was, but thank you nevertheless 

well duh. What did you expect?  I cant even read a darbar