CV auto ack and bombers

[surfinn]

What the heck is up with these huge low level (under10k) Bombers making it all the way through a cvs puffy ack with no damage. I could see it if it was multiple bomber formations from differant angles but that's not the case. Time and time again bomber formations are coming into the cv group sinking it and leaving without a scratch.  Puffy ack works fine on my little fighter at 10k out so why is it not pounding those bomber formations?

I wish CV auto ack would pound bombers like it should.

[caldera]

The usual sub-10k B-26 formations don't seem to even get scuffed up.






Since the last puffy ack adjustment, it seems much less dangerous to fighters.  Don't think it should be changed. 
Bombers making a beeline to the CV, however...

[Nashorn]

there is a lot of footage on the net of planes of all types being obliterated as soon as they come within range of a ships guns.... doesn't seem to be the case in AH

[surfinn]

20k 110g2 one hit dead from a cv that fired three shots at me on its outer envelope. just now. So if it can hit a 110g2 at 20k why and the hell cant it kill low slow bombers 5 times its size? Bombers should have no chance against auto ack. Why is the firing box different for bombers than it is fighters? 

[doright]

there is a lot of footage on the net of planes of all types being obliterated as soon as they come within range of a ships guns.... doesn't seem to be the case in AH

All the film of planes not being hit never got published because that would be bad for morale.
So if you extrapolate what you see in the films that got published then that is making a logical error. It would be like assuming US fighters killed a lot more planes then axis or British because we see a lot more P38, P47, and P51 gun footage.

[Zacherof]

idk. ive been getting 1 shotted by random puffy

[Butcher]

I flew through puffy tonight - I do recall in one of the previous patches it was toned down against fighters and jacked up against bombers (or something to that nature).

After 4 minutes through puffy I think its only main goal is to shoot down 262s.

[guncrasher]

What the heck is up with these huge low level (under10k) Bombers making it all the way through a cvs puffy ack with no damage. I could see it if it was multiple bomber formations from differant angles but that's not the case. Time and time again bomber formations are coming into the cv group sinking it and leaving without a scratch.  Puffy ack works fine on my little fighter at 10k out so why is it not pounding those bomber formations?

I wish CV auto ack would pound bombers like it should.

seriously surfinn, you just noticed?  I have been sinking cv's from 6k for the past 6 or 7 years now.  ack hardly every kills me.


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[Zacherof]

seriously surfinn, you just noticed?  I have been sinking cv's from 6k for the past 6 or 7 years now.  ack hardly every kills me.


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kills me qiute often ,no matter what bomber

[cobia38]

 if you stay under 3k you wont get hit by auto puffy 

[RngFndr]

Yeah, it's always been that way.. Auto puffy just seems to act backwards..
Fighters get pasted, bombers get a pass, welcome to AI land, and it has it's OWN ideas...

But, with even a 1/2assed gunner workin a twin 5in, bombers are dead meat..

[guncrasher]

kills me qiute often ,no matter what bomber

try b26 at full speed.   you get perhaps 10 or 12 seconds of puffy ack, drop then evade left/right and drop altitude to pick up speed and I mean dive hard once you go past the last ship.  you will get pinged by auto ack a couple of times but you will be ok.


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[No9Squadron]

When 617 and 9 Squadron bombed the Tirpitz, they were at 10.5k altitude and not a scratch, because they had a massive fighter escort and were above the smaller calibre AAA range.

I'd ask, how is it possible your enemy CV can be in vis range of a town and no-one is alerted.

I'd say it is fairly balanced. If the CV is protected by fighters, it is very hard to bomb true and accurately.

The issue seems to be with the B26 rather than the heavies.

The only way to get a heavy past a massive escort, is to have a massive escort.

Also bear in mind, some CV gunners are like aimbots, you literally can not fly straight and level.

This seems a realistic aspect of the game, some ships have dangerous gunnery, some don't. In WW2 there was a massive difference between British and Italian naval gunnery, so much so that it was a factor in British planning.

Read CS Forester's "The Ship". Names have been changed, but this is basically an autobiographical account of a naval battle, with key references to quality of naval gunnery.

Take into consideration as well, the amount of CV hunts that are fruitless, the amount of time involved in finding them.
If CVs can't be killed by a decent heavy pilot, then they would be like nuclear weapons in the game.

Don't forget WW2 was all about the shift from battleships sinking ships, to aircraft sinking ships. It should be possible.

Lastly as well, IRC Pearl Harbour and Taranto were conducted from a distance of 150 miles, not 2 miles offshore.

[Karnak]

The bombers in AH do get hit by the auto puffy ack more than fighters, but they are so much tougher they are almost never shot down by it.

For argument's sake define durability thus:

P-51D:
Engine: 25
Wing1: 50
Wing2: 50
Fuselage: 60
VertStab: 35
HorStab1: 30
HorStab2: 30

B-17G:
Engine1: 30
Engine2: 30
Engine3: 30
Engine4: 30
Wing1: 225
Wing2: 225
Fuselage: 300
VertStab: 75
HorStab1: 50
HorStab2: 50

Now, lets say the puffy hit does 30-60 damage.  Barring the pilot, there is no place a single hit can down the B-17, but there are numerous places the P-51D can be downed.  Sure, the B-17 gets hit more, but in the locations most likely to be hit, wings and fuselage, it takes many hits to down it.  Spread the hits over the B-17 and it would need to be getting hit a bloodly lot more to go down as often as the P-51D.

[Tinkles]

The bombers in AH do get hit by the auto puffy ack more than fighters, but they are so much tougher they are almost never shot down by it.

For argument's sake define durability thus:

P-51D:
Engine: 25
Wing1: 50
Wing2: 50
Fuselage: 60
VertStab: 35
HorStab1: 30
HorStab2: 30

B-17G:
Engine1: 30
Engine2: 30
Engine3: 30
Engine4: 30
Wing1: 225
Wing2: 225
Fuselage: 300
VertStab: 75
HorStab1: 50
HorStab2: 50

Now, lets say the puffy hit does 30-60 damage.  Barring the pilot, there is no place a single hit can down the B-17, but there are numerous places the P-51D can be downed.  Sure, the B-17 gets hit more, but in the locations most likely to be hit, wings and fuselage, it takes many hits to down it.  Spread the hits over the B-17 and it would need to be getting hit a bloodly lot more to go down as often as the P-51D.

Not saying that your argument or stats are invalid. But in the 5in I have gotten 1 hit kills on B26s, B17s and Lancs in the 5in. The puff was under the pilot resulting in an "explosion" kill. Then the next highest kill is getting the wing.   

Now in the 88 however.. 2-3 sometimes 4-5 hits before I get a kill, unless it's a direct hit.

Tinkles

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