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Offline earl1937

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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2013, 02:36:05 PM »
I had an epiphany the other day.  Actually, another player brought it to my attention.  As some of you know I started a new squad several weeks ago with the idea of flying bomber groups with escort fighters into the Strats to create high altitude furballs (I love a realistic bomber interception defended by escorts).

And we've had some good turnouts for the pickup missions, except we're having problems retaining escorts for future missions.  We throw a big darbar and attract LOTS of interceptors.  We have had some great furballs where the bomber formations are knocking down the 163's and 262's that blow by the escorts (one mission we shot down three 163's and one 262).  Our escorts seem to fair as well as the prop interceptors (giving as good as they take) and we're bringing about 50% of everybody home (bomber and escort pilots).

The interceptors are always there when we throw a big darbar (I assume for the potential bomber nom-noms), but many of our escorts won't go back the next night or later that week.  We had one excellent squad escort us one night and I thought they did great, but when I asked the CO if they wanted to do it again several nights later he gave me this candid answer: "Can't fight up there!  Planes handle completely differently.  I can hunt bombers up there, but dog fighting is a different story.  We were struggling.  We'll work on it and have another go at it some time in the future."

"Up there" was 25k.

Maybe we just haven't found the right guys yet.  But the question also occurred to me "are fighter skills in AH so tuned to lower alts that they aren't used to their plane's handling in the thinner air?"  I'm not asking this sarcastically, but as an honest question.  The CO's response took me by surprise because they are Pony and P-47 guys with a number of Top 100 and 200 pilots in their squad.  They are good sticks and those planes were designed to fight up there.

Am I looking for the 3 horned unicorn in looking for escort pilots with 25k dog fighting skills?  I'm a mediocre fighter pilot and admit is it more difficult up there, but I just assumed the full time fighter guys in the high alt design planes would have dog fighting wired up there.

:airplane: I wasn't going to comment on this post, as I thought you were directing it at some other country besides the Rooks, but what the heck? I am ET37, commander, 94th Bomb Group, (Devil Dogs), and I make a point of flying at least one high altitude mission every week. I have been for the last month or so, insisting on B-29's, as long as people have the bomber points for them. I only post the mission with out checking the formation box, so if an player doesn't have the points for a 3 a/c element, they usually have enough for one a/c. I always take a formation, I just spawn out on the runway which I have posted in the mission and wait until it launches.
Now, we have had some really good fights from 30K down to 10K while on these missions and the folks really enjoy them.
I would love to have a standing arrangement with some Knight or Bishop group to meet one night a week at 28 to 32K, complete with bombers, to have some high altitude fights! Great fun  :salute
One other note you might want to make: Every Tuesday night at 9PM, EST, in MLW arena, I will be posting a big mission as I have described above, so watch for the dar bar and come running! (Now, I won't promise that we will always be in bombers, as I can box and step climb my formations to where you think it is bombers, but might be 262's, 51D's and 47M's, so if interested in a high altitude fight, just PM me and we will work out the dualing ground).
« Last Edit: August 22, 2013, 02:57:34 PM by earl1937 »
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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2013, 03:03:52 PM »
Both personality types can co-exist in the MA. If they are flying in the MA to hone skill and bide time until the next event then some high alt encounters (specifically escort vs. intercept) couldn't hurt. If they are not into events and want the most engagements possible when logged on, then high alt to them would be considered a waste of time. Honestly, each could scratch the others backs by occasionally jumping the fence to give some numbers to one experience or the other (for however long they can stand it).

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I believe it's primarily related to available time for playing the game.

When I played AW, I would routinely be above 20K.  I also had a lot of time to do nothing but play AW in 1995.  Now it's hard for me to dedicate a Saturday afternoon for a scenario, let alone more than a couple of hours on any particular night.  I don't think I'm a minority with this though.


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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2013, 03:31:07 PM »
If you know how to high altitude-dogfight, calling it high-altitude furballing is a huuuge misnomer.
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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2013, 03:33:25 PM »
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I believe it's primarily related to available time for playing the game.

When I played AW, I would routinely be above 20K.  I also had a lot of time to do nothing but play AW in 1995.  Now it's hard for me to dedicate a Saturday afternoon for a scenario, let alone more than a couple of hours on any particular night.  I don't think I'm a minority with this though.




Last night I was very tired and found myself never climbing higher than 10-12k at most before entering a fight, the result was I died a lot more, but I did get to the action sooner.
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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2013, 04:26:49 PM »
A mission at high alt does sound fun. An hour and a half? I wish I could devote that kind of time to a mission. This is becoming my biggest issue is The time needed to actually play. I love it. When I can I get immersed in the game. When I look up an hour has gone by. I plan on upping in a mission add fighter support when I can. It's sounds like a blast!! Peace
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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2013, 05:16:33 PM »
I had an epiphany the other day.  Actually, another player brought it to my attention.  As some of you know I started a new squad several weeks ago with the idea of flying bomber groups with escort fighters into the Strats to create high altitude furballs (I love a realistic bomber interception defended by escorts).

And we've had some good turnouts for the pickup missions, except we're having problems retaining escorts for future missions.  We throw a big darbar and attract LOTS of interceptors.  We have had some great furballs where the bomber formations are knocking down the 163's and 262's that blow by the escorts (one mission we shot down three 163's and one 262).  Our escorts seem to fair as well as the prop interceptors (giving as good as they take) and we're bringing about 50% of everybody home (bomber and escort pilots).

The interceptors are always there when we throw a big darbar (I assume for the potential bomber nom-noms), but many of our escorts won't go back the next night or later that week.  We had one excellent squad escort us one night and I thought they did great, but when I asked the CO if they wanted to do it again several nights later he gave me this candid answer: "Can't fight up there!  Planes handle completely differently.  I can hunt bombers up there, but dog fighting is a different story.  We were struggling.  We'll work on it and have another go at it some time in the future."

"Up there" was 25k.

Maybe we just haven't found the right guys yet.  But the question also occurred to me "are fighter skills in AH so tuned to lower alts that they aren't used to their plane's handling in the thinner air?"  I'm not asking this sarcastically, but as an honest question.  The CO's response took me by surprise because they are Pony and P-47 guys with a number of Top 100 and 200 pilots in their squad.  They are good sticks and those planes were designed to fight up there.

Am I looking for the 3 horned unicorn in looking for escort pilots with 25k dog fighting skills?  I'm a mediocre fighter pilot and admit is it more difficult up there, but I just assumed the full time fighter guys in the high alt design planes would have dog fighting wired up there.


When do you guys usually fly?

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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2013, 07:42:42 PM »
I think that fighting at high altitude is very different from lower altitudes.

I almost never fight at high altitudes in the Main Arena, as I'm generally looking for quicker action there, but there are several scenarios with a lot of high-altitude action (such as the late-war 8th AF ones).

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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2013, 07:49:02 PM »
Thought there were still in Rookland.
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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2013, 09:16:05 PM »
Thanks for everyone's feedback.  Sounds like I will just have to be patient in getting things going :)

I looked back over the past 6 months and thought "What do I like to do most in AH?"  The answer was I liked Earl's (ET37) Devil Dogs missions when he took them up to high alts.  And I liked flying on high altitude hunting missions with Zoney or Bluberry in JG5.  And I like flying bombers about 50% of the time, so I created Rough Puppies and Bluberry came over as XO when he found out what I was up to.

Right now we are living on Pickup Missions trying to sell the idea in Bishland and will ultimately end up wherever the interest lies (country wise).  We've done pretty well so far in Bishland with bomber pilot interest, but getting the fighter escorts has been harder.  Bomber pilots have been game, but selling them on the idea of going in at 25k as a group to start a fight instead of 30k+ to avoid or lessen contact only works so well with formation flying.  The other piece of the puzzle is fighter escorts.   
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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2013, 09:50:52 PM »
When do you guys usually fly?

Hi Aztec,

I've already sent a PM to Uptown for you guys to have a look at.  Living off of Pickup Missions, right now the answer is "Whenever I see enough guys online who will join the mission."  I fly 4 or 5 nights a week U.S. prime time.  In the long run I'm pretty sure we will find enough players who will like the idea enough to put a proper squad together.  I just thought it would be easier to find escort pilots than bomber pilots and it has been the opposite.
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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2013, 10:47:20 AM »
you guys could always ask 999000 to bring his P-17s for escort
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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2013, 11:04:54 AM »
Air spawns at 25k would help. :D

Kind of frustrating to take the time to climb that high, get shot down by bombers and/or escorts and then reclimb that far for some fights. :airplane:


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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2013, 01:25:12 PM »
you guys could always ask 999000 to bring his B-17s for escort

 :lol

Actually, I flew past 999000 in a Brewster one day on the way to a furball and asked him for an escort :lol

He laughed, then showed up a few minutes later at the furball and got 2 kills which he landed!  I wish I had saved that film of him turning and burning with the rest of us in his B-17 :lol
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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2013, 09:30:05 PM »
^^ Wish you had seen the Troll Patrol missions before 1sum41 joined the Army.

Our High Altitude Storch raids were the most fun.

But yeah I love some escort duty, flying cover for 17's is my favorite part of this game tbh.
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Re: Where are the High Alt Fighter Jocks?
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2013, 09:50:47 PM »
I always jump when I see a mission in the Main arena especially if its above 20k, Thunder eggs usually runs high alt buff missions - they sometimes post the info on 200 when they reach a certain alt. Everytime I would intercept them whether I am in a Ta-152, Bf-109 or Fw-190 just for fun.

most of the escorts tend to be P51s, above alt of 25,000ft (most escorts sit at 30+ while buffs 24+).

Hell I've even brought an F4u-4 once just for kicks, its a totally different world to fight up there, and certainly worth it. My favorite all time was a C.205 fighter sweep at 25k vs Spitfire 8's. I realized I am the village idiot when I ran out of gas 4 sectors away (at 29k) and thought I could glide a spitfire home, I ended up crashing in the ocean a sector away from my base.
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