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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #120 on: September 15, 2013, 10:52:16 PM »
:headscratch: :joystick: :joystick: :noid :t :rofl

Ok, I admit it wasn't a vulch while upping off the runway, it was a fight in the ack with me full of fuel and low. :)

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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #121 on: September 15, 2013, 11:26:30 PM »
Ok, I admit it wasn't a vulch while upping off the runway, it was a fight in the ack with me full of fuel and low. :)

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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #122 on: September 15, 2013, 11:37:11 PM »
See Rules #4, #6
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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #123 on: September 16, 2013, 09:53:36 AM »
See Rules #4, #6
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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #124 on: September 16, 2013, 10:04:46 AM »
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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #125 on: September 16, 2013, 10:44:21 AM »
Ok, I admit it wasn't a vulch while upping off the runway, it was a fight in the ack with me full of fuel and low. :)

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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #126 on: September 17, 2013, 12:48:57 AM »
I r present! I'm glad you brought this up Midway, this way I'm defending myself, rather than appear the 'whiner'...
Check my stats, I have like 5 flights so far this month... 15 days, yes this game costs me like $5 per hour to play, considering.

My condition: All this is 'pacific standard time' - I live in California.
I work 50 to approaching 70 hours per week. Grave shifts, swings shifts, and day shifts. As required which is most of the time. This time it was a grave shift.
I got off work at 7am, home in bed by probably 8:30am. I had an a 'Home Alarm Installer' guy coming over due at 2pm.
He called me at 11:30am about. I confirmed "YES, 2pm!" I didn't swear at him for waking me up early though, should have because I had already told him "off at 7am"... WTH.
I had my phone set to wake me up at 11:45am anyways though, to TRY to get in to the 12:00 noon start time for the 'Battle of Britain' scenario.
SOOO THREE HOURS SLEEP... not so unusual these days.

Midway, about that flight...
Me and another 109E, saw your spitfire fighting a 3rd 109E. We both engaged you, while the first one took off, headed for home I guess. Then the one that I was with ALSO took off. I was SWEARING in violation of ROC on squad channel and open channel... DEMANDING that they return for what seemed like FOREVER - my swearing continued throughout our fight. They did not respond at all. If the first guy was pw'ed or something, understandable, but his SILENCE was NOT excused. The second guy, he had NO EXCUSE. I chose to FIGHT you anyways. I saw that you were doing your cork-screw maneuver, trying to elongate your path as for me to go ahead of you. I played thought it, every second that I stayed in was more and more of a bad decision on my part. However, I was logged on, the event, yes I wanted to fight. You did get behind me, I was still swearing at the one guy for still being in range and still drifting away, last I remember 3.5k... WTH with him - UNBELIEVEABLE HIM. And still no communication from him. BITTERLY DISAPPOINTED!!! Finally, you pilot wounded me, my plane was very pinged, nothing else broken though, just my pilot.  I assume you ran out of amo? Why did you break off? Anyways... I flew away, finally landing in the water near a friendly base pt-spawn. Then I had to afk, House Alarm guy was here and then we had to go to the bank to get him, uhh other money.  I returned to my pilot in the water some 30minutes later, they told me a PT boat passed by so I was clear to log.

I AM VERY GLAD, role-playing here, that I survived, TO GET THIS INCIDENT PUT TO THE HIGH COMMAND IN ORDER TO COURTMARSHAL AT LEAST THE 2ND 109 PILOT.
The hell if I wanted to be shot down and no one ever know how I was ABANDONED. The three of us would have owned you within a few turns. The first taking off was one thing, he was probably pinged up bad, but the 2nd guy had no excuse to leave like that. COURT MARSHAL him. Yeah I have the tapes, I think... NAMES YES.

About the planes:  I still say that the 109E is THE MOST CHEATED PLANE IN THE GAME.
Spitfires in here are turnier, retain E better, accelerate better, climb too, FASTER, dive??? Everything? 109E's I thought had a 33k top alt, while spis were like 29k? Yes the luftwaffe was tired of enemy radar so max alt, which is why they had so little flight time left once over the England. We have a TOTAL LIE for early models.
We have the English LIAR's version of the planes - Captain Eric Brown, known LIAR version.
Your 'corkscrew' maneuver, a combo of turning, and rolling. OUR 109E rolls SLOWER than a B-17, as I have been saying for some YEARS now. HTC fixes NOTHING.

Wikipedia says:
For Battle for Britain:
England lost 1034 single engine fighters.
Germany lost 533 single engine fighters.
This is with ENGLAND having RADAR and fighting OVER THEIR OWN LAND and 50 MILES OF WATER...
If OUR SCENARIO was SET UP CORRECTLY: England's team would have RADAR, AND STILL THE 109E's would kill more SPITS and HURI's.

In our campaigns, the 110's do better than the 109s when both are present...? What I heard, and believe from flight tests.
Hence: our modeling is TRASH.

I consider Bruv an authority on IN GAME PLANES... yet I don't agree with the k4 being all that, its a TUB, his spit14 description is my k4 description.
109E vs Spit1    Spit should win as long as he doesn't stall out badly or do excessive negative G manoeuvres losing energy in the process
109F vs Spit5   109F can win if he flies smart and uses sustained turns over yank and bank
109F vs Spit9    Spit 9  all the way haven't found a 109F pilot that would win in a straight out fight.
109G2 vs Spit9   Spit 9.
109G14 vs Spit8    Spit 8,  the earlier 109 models stand a better chance of exploiting any mistakes.
109K4 vs Spit14    K4 all the way,  Spit 14's handling slow is dodgy.  The 16, 8 and 9 would all lick a 109k4 if he stood and turn fought.  


More about OUR fight: I don't think your spit guns would break my windows to pilot wound me!
Check these two videos, Battle of Britain Spit? I didn't know they had variable pitch props yet?  But the 109 looks like at least an F, its not a 109E nose...
Spitfire: he 1-handedly scoots it back, it looks flimsy...
109: heavy! clunky! and our 109E also has the rear curving metal plate behind the pilots head... 109's have the framework like that because that's how the best bullet-proof glass in those years, was made in more square sections, braced by the metal framework. I'm glad everything else held up but pw? :/
Bullet hole: you broke, I think, my back left window:
spitfire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFj8NDqZhlc
bf-109
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9YVei2Yb_k
Phooey! yes I knew going in that I was tired, and that I had HTC Eric brown versions modeling, but terrible wingys too? Bitterly Disappointed! Glad I lived to see the Court-marshal trial! You don't just exit a fight, especially without announcing! WTH!!! Everytime I get to fly with Bruv, I seem to do well, was almost considering being a Huri pilot! OMG yes I said that! Yes I did before, when Princess Diana's accident, years ago, I angrily flew spits for 2 weeks straight!!!
And why doesn't the dam thing say that I lived? I was closer to axis base I think, and was 'picked up' so not captured or dead.

Oh, and good job Zacherof! (who was not either of the abandoner guys!)
Oh, and Midway, I'm glad you got your name back. Total trash it was permitted to be stolen like that. BOO HTC!!!
« Last Edit: September 17, 2013, 01:04:26 AM by Franz Von Werra »
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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #127 on: September 17, 2013, 01:16:56 AM »
Oh, and never mind the fact that HTC wont put the Franz Von Werra 109E paint job in - disgrace him too! But it was completed LONG AGO by KAZAN!
Maybe we could get B-17, with only forward firing guns, with a Franz Von Werra paint job?   :rofl

Yeah, maybe I'm more upset than I should be... need more sleep!
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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #128 on: September 17, 2013, 01:26:57 AM »
Someone needs to put the bottle down and get some sleep.

As well as being known as the one who got away, Von Werra has added the sentence and paragraph that got away  :aok
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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #129 on: September 17, 2013, 01:44:13 AM »
Franz, thank you for flying in Battle of Britain.

On this, though:

About the planes:  I still say that the 109E is THE MOST CHEATED PLANE IN THE GAME.
Spitfires in here are turnier, retain E better, accelerate better, climb too, FASTER, dive??? Everything? We have a TOTAL LIE for early models.
OUR 109E rolls SLOWER than a B-17, as I have been saying for some YEARS now. HTC fixes NOTHING.

Spitfires I's are turnier (yes, in accordance with what I've read about them), retain E better (yes -- that's what lower parasitic and induced drag does, in accordance with physics), accelerate better (not sure about this one), climb (no), faster (by 10 mph only, and why do you think that's wrong?), dive (Spit airframes have the highest critical mach of nearly any WWII plane), everything (no -- especially at anything that isn't positive g's).

A 109E does not roll slower than a B-17, unless you are talking about snap rolls, and that is an almost useless metric, firstly, because you aren't going to be snap rolling anything at, say, 250 mph or more, and secondly, because if it were useful at all, you'd see snap rolls being used constantly as the standard means of rolling in MA stallfights, which you don't.  At 200+ mph, a 109E rolls about 3 times as fast as a B-17.

Again, thanks for flying in the scenario.


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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #130 on: September 17, 2013, 01:50:42 AM »
I started reading the plane comparison and thought hang on a sec this guy knows what he is talking about  then I realised he was quoting me from a different thread.     :o

and your wrong about the k4 being a tub,  having been killed by krup, joachim, redbull and some other top notch K4 pilots, I only have a fighting chance in the 8 or 9,   16 a little harder but the spit 14,  no way in a slow speed stall fight.  Hence why the K4 is easy mode.   Hit WEP and you can defy gravity and be awesome! 
« Last Edit: September 17, 2013, 01:54:12 AM by Bruv119 »
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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #131 on: September 17, 2013, 02:23:05 AM »
Oh, and congrats Bruv, you got more kills in 2 hours than any spit pilot did in the whole 6 years of war?  ;)  :bolt:
« Last Edit: September 17, 2013, 02:24:49 AM by Franz Von Werra »
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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #132 on: September 17, 2013, 03:14:35 AM »
Oh, and congrats Bruv, you got more kills in 2 hours than any spit pilot did in the whole 6 years of war?  ;)  :bolt:

22 for 0   so far,  

I must do better because the Luftwaffe are still killing our FH's.   No point in running up a cricket score if they still achieve their objectives.
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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #133 on: September 17, 2013, 05:27:39 AM »
This thread is awesome!

Do any of the scalp totals on either side include the side fights precipitated by pm's?

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Re: Bitterly disappointed
« Reply #134 on: September 17, 2013, 11:16:34 AM »
You know.... the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Franz just does a ton of blow.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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