Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.

[ntrudr]

Silly question but how does a planes ENY effect you?  You will still be facing the same plane and same pilots no?  How does a number change anything for you when you against a yak3?

It doesn't.  But some people and squads compare scores and points, and it does affect that.  There was a time that if the sides got out of balance you could only fly plane of a certain eny or higher if you where on the prevailing side.  Then it would matter.  But it seems that feature has been disabled since the split arenas were abandoned for one large arena.

If it doesn't concern you, then it doesn't concern you.

[Karnak]

It doesn't.  But some people and squads compare scores and points, and it does affect that.  There was a time that if the sides got out of balance you could only fly plane of a certain eny or higher if you where on the prevailing side.  Then it would matter.  But it seems that feature has been disabled since the split arenas were abandoned for one large arena.

If it doesn't concern you, then it doesn't concern you.

ENY limits based on population imbalance is still active.  Populations just rarely get imbalanced enough for it to trigger.

[Tilt]

As to capability, look at some of the higher ENY aircraft.  Do you really think the Mosquito Mk VI, with quad centerline Hispanos (175rpg), 2000lbs of bombs and 357mph on the deck is a 30 ENY based on capability?  My post which prompted the recent ENY value changes to a number of aircraft included a suggestion to reduce the Mosquito's ENY value.  HTC made changes to all the other aircraft I mentioned to look out of place, but not the Mosquito.

Table with top 13 planes + Mosquito Mk VI:

Plane	Kills	Deaths	K/D Ratio	ENY
P-51D	12104	9401	1.29	5
Spitfire Mk XVI	6868	6066	1.13	5
La-7	6720	5089	1.32	5
F6F-5	5256	5490	0.96	12
N1K2	5043	4739	1.06	8
Fw 190D-9	6088	3590	1.70	12
Bf 109K-4	4750	3487	1.36	15
F4u-1A	4321	3033	1.42	12
P-47M	4620	2689	1.72	8
F4U-1D	3878	4826	0.80	9
Ki-84-Ia	4366	2791	1.56	20
A-20G	3669	2747	1.34	15
Yak-3	3607	2587	1.39	18
Mosquito Mk VI	2096	1602	1.31	30

seems to me that the Ki84 would stand some ENY adjustment before the Yak 3

[bozon]

Why did this turn into a futile ENY argument? Values above 10 do not matter anyway.

Why worries me about the yak is that it seems to have almost  no induced drag. I can hold it at 80 mpg with lots of rudder input, stall buzzer yelling and it still climbs at 3500 fpm. Most planes can barely hold level so far back on the power curve.

One last thing - stop saying that the yak has a short range. True, it is no p51 in that respect, but how long would most planes fly on WEP 100% of the time? Throttle back or reduce throttle and suddenly it flies as long as a typical non-escort fighter.

[Karnak]

seems to me that the Ki84 would stand some ENY adjustment before the Yak 3

Ki-84 is a better balanced plane than the Yak-3.  It has good range and is a usable attack platform with its two 250kg bombs.  It also packs more punch.

[zack1234]

Brewster?

[dedalos]

It doesn't.  But some people and squads compare scores and points, and it does affect that.  There was a time that if the sides got out of balance you could only fly plane of a certain eny or higher if you where on the prevailing side.  Then it would matter.  But it seems that feature has been disabled since the split arenas were abandoned for one large arena.

If it doesn't concern you, then it doesn't concern you.

well, I did not know that

[Karnak]

Brewster?

Is needlessly whined about:

Table with top 13 planes + Mosquito Mk VI + Brewster:

Plane	Kills	Deaths	K/D Ratio	ENY
P-51D	12104	9401	1.29	5
Spitfire Mk XVI	6868	6066	1.13	5
La-7	6720	5089	1.32	5
F6F-5	5256	5490	0.96	12
N1K2	5043	4739	1.06	8
Fw 190D-9	6088	3590	1.70	12
Bf 109K-4	4750	3487	1.36	15
F4u-1A	4321	3033	1.42	12
P-47M	4620	2689	1.72	8
F4U-1D	3878	4826	0.80	9
Ki-84-Ia	4366	2791	1.56	20
A-20G	3669	2747	1.34	15
Yak-3	3607	2587	1.39	18
Mosquito Mk VI	2096	1602	1.31	30
Brewster B-239	1148	1541	0.74	??

[ntrudr]

If you think it is over modeled in several ways, and it probably is, then you should start a thread about it.  I started this thread about ENY because that is what was irking me at the time.

Why did this turn into a futile ENY argument? Values above 10 do not matter anyway.

Why worries me about the yak is that it seems to have almost  no induced drag. I can hold it at 80 mpg with lots of rudder input, stall buzzer yelling and it still climbs at 3500 fpm. Most planes can barely hold level so far back on the power curve.

One last thing - stop saying that the yak has a short range. True, it is no p51 in that respect, but how long would most planes fly on WEP 100% of the time? Throttle back or reduce throttle and suddenly it flies as long as a typical non-escort fighter.

[Reaper90]

seems to me that the Ki84 would stand some ENY adjustment before the Yak 3

This.

If the Yak3 is 10 eny there are about half a dozen more planes to perk and the Ki84 is 5 eny at most.

 

[thrila]

Time to increase the spit 14's ENY..... 

[skorpx1]

I'm sure that if HTC felt the Yak's would need any sort of change in ENY it'd be done already.


They are the ones that modeled and tested it, right?

[coombz]

I fear this is just another BnZers whine thread.

Get a grip or just run faster

 

[Zacherof]

And the 262 is one of the fastest planes in the game, with a good climb rate, excellent dive speed, excellent guns that can shred any fighter with 1 hit and few hits on a bomber.

Take up a Yak3 and see if you can even manage to bring down 3 B17s with a decent gunner, its barely likely you can, mean while I've seen 262s bring down almost 20 in one sortie.

Taking down bombers in a yak is har enough for a yak with an incapable gunner

[Schen]

I don't believe the ki is  5 eny. It can't dive past 450 above 300 it turns like a pig. Is decent in the 150-250 range does not have highspeed flaps and is only mildly more effective then some platforms at the vertical due to decent power. Now that being said it is decent in many aspects of a stall fight but does not excelled at any one area and you have to manage your position and energy well. The gun package on the ki is again decent and comparable to many fighters but not a knock out artist. I don't see an eny of 5 but could see it at 15-18 and feel 20 is fair. Its not an easy plan to be great it and a really easy plane to be spanked in. 

that being said it is my honest option and furthermore i feel based on what has been said the yak is right where it needs to be and maybe see it at 15 no lower.