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Offline artik

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PTAB for IL2
« on: September 02, 2013, 09:45:52 AM »
It would:

1. Make IL-2 much more popular
2. Make GV hunting much more fun
3. Make it is closer to historical use of IL-2 bombs
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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2013, 10:57:13 AM »
Its been asked for before. Could you imagine the whinging by the GV crowd? If even close to accurate modeling they would devastate the games armor as they did in real life.
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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2013, 11:41:47 AM »
Excellent idea.  To go along with it remove GV icons completely.  Wait ...  that might cause whinging by the ground attack crowd ... 

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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2013, 12:20:28 PM »
Yeah, big negative on that one.

Game play would require the IL2 not have any GV icons. And based on the whining, your typical AH player's eyesight is too poor to even be aware of their existence without that magical red text.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2013, 01:56:08 PM »
Yeah, big negative on that one.

Game play would require the IL2 not have any GV icons. And based on the whining, your typical AH player's eyesight is too poor to even be aware of their existence without that magical red text.


  I bet you would be all for it if it was a german bomb..... :rolleyes:

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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2013, 01:57:55 PM »

  I bet you would be all for it if it was a german bomb..... :rolleyes:
He wouldn't.  It would negatively impact his GVing and that will take priority for him.
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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2013, 02:44:07 PM »
Denying the IL2 the PTAB is like denying the Tiger II the 8.8cm KwK43.

Perk it by all means but don't neuter it.........

The IL2 was so effective due to its use of PTAB's not it's rockets, not its 250kg bombs, not its 23 or 37mm cannon.

I can understand that modelling the effect of 48 x 1.5 KG shaped charges may be challenging. Particularly if 4 of the canisters are dropped at once..... But to deny it for any other reason would be a gross error IMO.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2013, 02:54:28 PM by Tilt »
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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2013, 02:56:21 PM »
If we get perked ordnance, sure. But asking for the bomb before the entire system overhaul (which should entail a lot of new loadouts for a number of planes) is putting horse behind the cart.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2013, 03:30:17 PM »
Denying the IL2 the PTAB is like denying the Tiger II the 8.8cm KwK43.

Perk it by all means but don't neuter it.........

The IL2 was so effective due to its use of PTAB's not it's rockets, not its 250kg bombs, not its 23 or 37mm cannon.

I can understand that modelling the effect of 48 x 1.5 KG shaped charges may be challenging. Particularly if 4 of the canisters are dropped at once..... But to deny it for any other reason would be a gross error IMO.

Doesn't matter how good the PTAB was, it served in world war two. This just means Campers need to do a better job hiding and tanks need to roll with wirbls after all one wirb with its magical guns defeats an IL-2.
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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2013, 04:54:54 PM »
Doesn't matter how good the PTAB was, it served in world war two. This just means Campers need to do a better job hiding and tanks need to roll with wirbls after all one wirb with its magical guns defeats an IL-2.

What game are you playing, exactly? The Wirbelwind is nowhere near as effective as you would have us all believe.

The primary problem is the ineptitude of most attackers.
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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2013, 05:35:45 PM »
I'm all for adding a perked ordnance option for the PTAB and other cluster bomb type munitions that were used during the war.  I would also like to see parafrag bombs added as well as a perked ordnance option.

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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2013, 05:53:12 PM »
What game are you playing, exactly? The Wirbelwind is nowhere near as effective as you would have us all believe.

The primary problem is the ineptitude of most attackers.

I stick my 8 K/D ratio in the whirb against whatever argument you might try to come up with to say otherwise. (and thats just tallying up for 8 tours not to mention my entire time playing).

Seriously though, I know your love for luftwobble and German iron so I am not going to even bother explaining why the Whirb is a little overpowered, so I am just going to leave it at that.

There is another thread that explains how the Whirb has Clips for its guns, and not continuous fire until it runs dry, maybe look up that thread.
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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2013, 06:25:31 PM »
So your personal KTD determines what average is in AH?

And I'm all for reload times. I made a thread asking for it, and it got shot down. Still doesn't mean the Wirbelwind is effective at protecting other vehicles. Especially other vehicles that aren't right near by it.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2013, 08:55:41 PM »
So your personal KTD determines what average is in AH?

I made a thread asking for it, and it got shot down. Still doesn't mean the Wirbelwind is effective at protecting other vehicles. Especially other vehicles that aren't right near by it.

Really you made a thread to neuter the Wirb? lol It does wonders now the GV icon range was dumbed down a bit, before it was easy to stay away from Wirbs, now you have to hope you don't fly around one.
It does just fine defending vehicles within 1.5k, given the size of the GV battlefield, two wirbs can cover most the area GV's operate in.

Even with bombs, you have to get close enough to be in range of a wirb, unless you dive straight down on one, your glide path makes you an easy target.
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Re: PTAB for IL2
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2013, 09:07:49 PM »
LOL.. GV isolationist whiners crying that the GV icons would need removing if this was added... It is "to laugh"...

ptab or not, GVs were wiped off the face of the earth in any area where the enemy forces had complete air superiority (not a term that existed at the time, but one I'll use nonetheless). The same holds true in AH. Disabling GV icons was simply to pander to the VERY vocal minority of whiners and cryers that literally sh** a brick if a plane was spotted anywhere near them. Why? Because they were spawn camping somewhere and got shot. They were perfectly ranged in to pop easy targets and got bombed.

Funny thing is, even with just 1 or 2 friendly planes in the air over them it would entirely STOP this decimation from enemy air assets, but they didn't care about things like logic, reality, historic accuracy, or even the optics of eyesight or the physics of light reflecting off of objects into the eyeball. Nah... Can't let all those details get in the way of their camping spot at tank-town.

GV whiners are ruining this game. Make the icons 20K, and just prove to them it's not about icons. It's about their lack of spine and how they play. I truly hope they find happiness -- but only if they all go play World of Tanks instead of Aces High.

While we're at it, add the PTAB for the IL2! It's really kind of useless without long armored tank convoys on narrow roads which boxes all the targets into one kill-zone. That's why they were so useful to the Soviets in WW2. In here? Probably see very limited success.