Soviet IS-2 Heavy Tank

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Documentary Videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSteO4GzcJc


This tank caught my eye when I saw it on the Military History Channel along with its massive gun. Now I don't really care how large the cost on this thing will be but I would love to see it in Aces High.

Tank Iosef Stalin IS2 Model 45
Type   
heavy battle tank
Engine   
V-2 JS, 12-cylinder water-cooled diesel engine with 520 hp
Crew   
4
Length   
990 cm
Width   
309 cm
Height   
273 cm
Battle weight   
46 t
Max road speed   
23 mph
Max road range   
150 miles
Max terrain range   
131 miles
Fuel
820 litres
Vertical obstacle   
100 cm
Trench crossing
286 cm
Climbing power   
36°
Armour, turret front   
160 mm
Armour, turret side   
110 mm
Armour, turret rear   
100 mm
Armour, turret roof   
30 mm
Armour, hull glacis   
120 mm
Armour, hull side   
95 mm
Armour, hull rear   
60 mm
Armour, hull top   
30mm
Armour, hull bottom
30 mm
Main armament   
122 mm D-25T gun with 28 rounds
Muzzle velocity   
1690 fps (HEAT),
2625 fps (HE)
Shell weight   
24.9 kg Armour piercing (HE), 13.2 kg HEAT, 22.6 kg HE, 24.9 kg HE-fragmentation
Penetration 500 yds   
200mm/0° (HEAT), 145mm/0° (HE)
Penetration 1000 yds   
200mm/0° (HEAT), 145mm/0° (HE)
Penetration 1500 yds   
200mm/0° (HEAT), 145mm/0° (HE)
Penetration 2000 yds   
200mm/0° (HEAT), 145mm/0° (HE)
Secondary armament   
2 x DT, 1 x DShK -MG
Production   
from November 1943, prototype IS-3 November 1944
Total production figure   
4,204
(1943-1945)
Production 1943 (IS 2)   
102
Production 1944 (IS 2)   
2,252
Production 1945
(IS 2)   
1,500
+ 350 IS 3


Other Informational Sites http://ww2total.com/WW2/Weapons/Vehicles/Tanks/Russian/Stalin-tank/Stalin-3-tank.htm

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=357

[Chalenge]

No. Probably this tank only shot at reinforced bunkers and civilians. At best it would unbalance vehicles too much.

[Butcher]

No. Probably this tank only shot at reinforced bunkers and civilians. At best it would unbalance vehicles too much.

How so? It would be a perked town killer, not that we need one.

[save]

It is the best Russian tank in ww2, Is2 has 2 things against it versus its rivals
slow
with 2-3 rounds a minute you better hit with the first round if you counter a late tank.

[wpeters]

+1

[Chalenge]

How so? It would be a perked town killer, not that we need one.

There is no actual tank-vs-tank history for this tank. It was used as an assault tank against concrete bunkers. In fact, the majority of its ammunition is for concrete smashing, but it also has chemical weapons for use against 'soft' targets. Yes, the gun could effectively punch through any German armor, but it was never used that way.

[Zodiac]

There is no actual tank-vs-tank history for this tank. It was used as an assault tank against concrete bunkers. In fact, the majority of its ammunition is for concrete smashing, but it also has chemical weapons for use against 'soft' targets. Yes, the gun could effectively punch through any German armor, but it was never used that way.

That really doesn't matter...all you have to do is look at the polls HTC has put up for "Next Aircraft"...Gloster Meteor only saw confirmed use in a ground attack role yet it was still included in the poll.

[Butcher]

There is no actual tank-vs-tank history for this tank. It was used as an assault tank against concrete bunkers. In fact, the majority of its ammunition is for concrete smashing, but it also has chemical weapons for use against 'soft' targets. Yes, the gun could effectively punch through any German armor, but it was never used that way.

It still served during world war two, and in a number of engagements against German Armor. One notable engagement in Hungary put Tiger IIs against JS-2s. In fact there were quite a few operating in december 1944.

You might be thinking of the JS-3 which were rushed to the front but did not see combat.

[Tank-Ace]

No, it would be near useless for the most part. The Tiger and Partner would be far superior for typical AH use. And due to it having such a slow rate of fire, the one thing it might theoretically do better at (long range sniping) would be excessively difficult.

Beyond that, the Jagdpanther's 88mm, available for a mere 30 perks, would tear through it well beyond 3000m, and it would have the optics to reliably put it's shell on target.

Before we get the IS 2, we should get some of their TD's, the SU 100 in particular.

[Chalenge]

It still served during world war two, and in a number of engagements against German Armor. One notable engagement in Hungary put Tiger IIs against JS-2s. In fact there were quite a few operating in december 1944.

You might be thinking of the JS-3 which were rushed to the front but did not see combat.

Can you document that? It matters.

[Chalenge]

No, it would be near useless for the most part. The Tiger and Partner would be far superior for typical AH use. And due to it having such a slow rate of fire, the one thing it might theoretically do better at (long range sniping) would be excessively difficult.

Beyond that, the Jagdpanther's 88mm, available for a mere 30 perks, would tear through it well beyond 3000m, and it would have the optics to reliably put it's shell on target.

Before we get the IS 2, we should get some of their TD's, the SU 100 in particular.

Not to mention more American armor, and a whole lot of Cruiser tanks.

[Denniss]

Armor values are soemwhat wrong, turret front armor was just 120mm, that 160mm is turret front + gun mantlet (Panther would have 220mm if you count both together).
Also the initial IS-2 model 1943 had a major design fault in the stepped frontal hull armor (taken over from KV tanks) and could be penetrated by the standard 75mm guns of the StuG III, Panzer IV and the towed PaK. This fault was fixed in the model 44 with a single-piece plate.

[Butcher]

Can you document that? It matters.

Of course I can, I will post some photos soon enough of different sources.

No, it would be near useless for the most part.

This is where your German iron BEATS ALL thinking is just completely wrong. Unless the IS-2 gets in a shooting match beyond 2k the IS-2 will lose. However in Aces High my typical shooting match is under 1500 where the IS-2 can do just fine.
at 1.5k or under the IS-2 can beat any german armor. In fact the IS-2 can destroy a Tiger at 1500m and a Panther at 2000m. Only the Optics made the difference, the Russians had inferior optics to the Germans.

Considering it can kill any german tank, and knock down town heavily? It might be a nice town destroyer that can actually defeat tanks too (unlike our M4-75). I fully support a heavy assault tank.

[Butcher]

These are just some of the examples of the IS-2 in action, It clearly states the IS-2 was used to break through fortifications and bunkers, however on ocassions it had to fight german tanks, mainly because the German heavy tank units would loiter around the battlefield waiting for the russians to attack, then move up.
The IS-2 was basically designed to smash a fortification so Infantry can rush through and create a gap in the line and disrupt the defenders.

It shows the tank entered combat in February 1944, however closest I can find it actually was used was May 1944.

[Vinkman]

How so? It would be a perked town killer, not that we need one.

Can you kill a town with 28 rounds?