90mm with proximity fuses.

[Rich46yo]

How hard would it be to tweak the 88mm guns into a long range gun that actually does something?

[Lusche]

Creating the proximity fuse would be easy, giving it the appearance of a 90mm would require a complete new 3D model.

And having proxy fused player controlled puffy ack around bases would suck massively, in my opinion

[Karnak]

I'd like to see the 88mm changed to a battery of three guns, like the bombers are done.

[Volron]

I'd like to see the 88mm changed to a battery of three guns, like the bombers are done.

 

[Rich46yo]

Naw just the 90mm's. Not the puffy. You dont even need to change the guns, just rename them 90mm. Maybe tweek the firing rate. As long as they have the proximity fuses. We do need long range AA at the airfields and bases, preferably one that actually fills a purpose. I suppose batteries of 88s would be an improvement.

[Karnak]

Naw just the 90mm's. Not the puffy. You dont even need to change the guns, just rename them 90mm. Maybe tweek the firing rate. As long as they have the proximity fuses. We do need long range AA at the airfields and bases, preferably one that actually fills a purpose. I suppose batteries of 88s would be an improvement.

You seem to be confused.

First, HTC is not going to have a graphic of a German 88mm gun firing American 90mm proximity fused rounds.  Second, the proximity fuses are player controled puffy ack.

[Charge]

Or simply implement something that makes the targeting system even remotely realistic for 88.

Like, show the impact point of the round with the chosen range setting and angle. The range setting alone is very demanding and makes hitting the target more of a fluke as it is now. Also make a "release" button which doubles the rotate rate but is so coarse that it cannot be used while shooting.

Maybe it could be done so that if you spawn into a base with unmanned 88s all of them will shoot to the range and point you shoot. If somebody else spawns in the 88, the remaining guns are shared between two gunners and so on. If you switch to AP you will only fire one gun.

-C+

[Tinkles]

How hard would it be to tweak the 88mm guns into a long range gun that actually does something?

I think 88 should do more damage, at least a little bit more.    But I don't want proximity fuses on the 88s. Making it a 90mm would do what exactly? It already kills most tanks I've encountered, so it's effective. So, what would the '90mm upgrade' be good for?

Or simply implement something that makes the targeting system even remotely realistic for 88.

Like, show the impact point of the round with the chosen range setting and angle. The range setting alone is very demanding and makes hitting the target more of a fluke as it is now. Also make a "release" button which doubles the rotate rate but is so coarse that it cannot be used while shooting.

Maybe it could be done so that if you spawn into a base with unmanned 88s all of them will shoot to the range and point you shoot. If somebody else spawns in the 88, the remaining guns are shared between two gunners and so on. If you switch to AP you will only fire one gun.

-C+

I think it would be cool to see the quad 88mms, where when firing puffy they all fire, when firing AP rounds they only shoot 1 at a time.


Tinkles

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[lyric1]

Naw just the 90mm's. Not the puffy. You dont even need to change the guns, just rename them 90mm. Maybe tweek the firing rate. As long as they have the proximity fuses. We do need long range AA at the airfields and bases, preferably one that actually fills a purpose. I suppose batteries of 88s would be an improvement.

Some info on that.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24335977/Fm-4-126-war-Department-coast-Artillery-Field-Manual-antiaircraft-Artillery-service-of-the-Piece-90-Mm-Antiaircraft-Gun-october-2-1942

http://www.scribd.com/doc/103703919/TM9-1653-Data-Transmission-System-M6-1942

[ReVo]

I don't even want the 88's we have now, much less something better.

[SmokinLoon]

I think 88 should do more damage, at least a little bit more.    But I don't want proximity fuses on the 88s. Making it a 90mm would do what exactly? It already kills most tanks I've encountered, so it's effective. So, what would the '90mm upgrade' be good for?

I think it would be cool to see the quad 88mms, where when firing puffy they all fire, when firing AP rounds they only shoot 1 at a time.


Tinkles

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IIRC, the German 88mm AA actual destructive capability in terms of "puffy ack" was on the low end of the scale when compared to its contemporaries.  Its efficiency came from rate of fire, accuracy/ranging abilities, and its versatility.  Not to mention highly trained and proficient crews.   

On a similar note, the British 25 Pdr artillery was smaller and less destructive than its contemporaries, but its mobility, simplicity, sighting systems, range, accuracy, and ability to quickly bring to bear its volleys were highly regarding by friend and foe.  While many countries went to the 105mm soon after the war started the British stayed with the 25 Pdr (88mm) for reasons listed.     

[Tinkles]

IIRC, the German 88mm AA actual destructive capability in terms of "puffy ack" was on the low end of the scale when compared to its contemporaries.  Its efficiency came from rate of fire, accuracy/ranging abilities, and its versatility.  Not to mention highly trained and proficient crews.   

On a similar note, the British 25 Pdr artillery was smaller and less destructive than its contemporaries, but its mobility, simplicity, sighting systems, range, accuracy, and ability to quickly bring to bear its volleys were highly regarding by friend and foe.  While many countries went to the 105mm soon after the war started the British stayed with the 25 Pdr (88mm) for reasons listed.     

I see, thank you sir for the info. Much appreciated 

I don't even want the 88's we have now, much less something better.

Then don't try to vulch while manned guns are up  

Seems to be the #1 mistake of ALL hordes today. Which is what I rely on to get mah killz  

Tinkles

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[ReVo]

I see, thank you sir for the info. Much appreciated 


Then don't try to vulch while manned guns are up  

Seems to be the #1 mistake of ALL hordes today. Which is what I rely on to get mah killz  

Tinkles

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I don't think we have ever had the pleasure of meeting in the MA so you wouldn't know that I wouldn't lift a finger to take a base 95% of the time, nor do I enjoy vulching. I don't like the 88's because I play Aces High to engage in cartoon aerial combat, not dodge little puffs of cartoon flak from people too scared to lift off the field because their poor Runstang won't have a 15k alt advantage.

[Rich46yo]

Im not confused at all tho thanks for caring.

The 5" guns on a CV are player controlled, have proximity fuses, and operate independently from auto-puffy. So do all the other manned guns. So does the worthless 88mm, tho with no fuse it aint even worth manning. Really how hard would it be to model an effective player occupied long range AA gun, thats independent of puffy as well, on an airbase. Or any other base for that matter?

Could bombers and fighters fly over bases and remain threat free against AA as long as they were over 3k or 4k in real life? No they couldnt. I see no reason why bombers and jabos should be allowed to take out hangars, free from AA threat, just cause they are bombing or dropping above a few thousand feet. It didnt happen in the war and it shouldnt be modeled that way in the game. Mostly its the bombers Im talking about. Ive seen to many float in at 4K and casually drop cause we have no way to stop them with AA.

The 90mm would add a realistic dimension. Most of all protecting V-bases and Ports where you cant up fighters.

[Karnak]

No, proximity fused rounds are grossly misused as a safe ground to run to.  The strength of the 88mm guns, gameplaywise, is that it is almost impossible to hit a maneuvering fighter with them but with practice a bomber going straight and level can be hit.  Currently I think it is a bit too hard so I'd like to see them remodeled as three or four gun batteries.

Point and click proximity rounds are much, much too potent and would have a catastrophic effect on gameplay.