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Offline SirNuke

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Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« on: September 08, 2013, 04:26:40 AM »
Anyone knows why the spitfire mk1 does so much flat stalls in Aces High? Is the COG a bit off?
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2013, 06:48:04 AM »
Every spitfire has this habit, except the 16 with its shortened wings. At least after the 109/190, i felt something simmilar to the 152's stall.

This flat stall might be especially tipical for the Spit I because its relatively weaker engine combined with the faulthy carburator design, once you get into this situation, there is no engine power to "pull the plane forward" from the stall. Also, as you have mentioned, the CoG might be further back then no the other Spitfires.
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2013, 10:31:29 AM »
If you haven't already; try extending flaps and landing gear, throttle at idle, opposite rudder and push the nose down.

Edit: I'm assuming you mean a flat spin.
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2013, 10:34:16 AM »
I did this once in TT out of about 100 sorties.   

Once you know how it happens it shouldn't be a problem.   I was too low to get out of it but can easily recover providing I have sufficent height.

The trick is to not get into it in the first place.   It can easily woop an e-mil without having to go all out.   
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2013, 10:39:16 AM »
Quote from: Bruv119 on September 08, 2013, 10:34:16 AM
It can easily woop an e-mil without having to go all out.   

Actually it can't. Not with a proper 109 driver in the Emil.
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2013, 12:43:05 PM »
errr  nope,   in a strict 1vs1  the e-mil will fail to get a good enough gun solution.   

Whilst he can try to zoom climb, if the e-mil burns a fraction too much E turning, the Spit's greater climbing performance and turn rate will result in the e-mil with nowhere to go except runaway. 

If you wish to be disproved the next time we are both online then we can go in a custom room and I will remove all doubt in your mind. 

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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2013, 01:04:50 PM »
I have won every Bf109E vs Spitfire Mk I fight I've ever had and I've always been in the Spit.  I can't speak to the quality of my opponents, but I rather suck so....
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2013, 01:35:55 PM »
God help you if you roll that Spit over in the middle of the fight though.  :lol
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2013, 01:49:13 PM »
Quote from: ReVo on September 08, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
God help you if you roll that Spit over in the middle of the fight though.  :lol
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2013, 01:50:37 PM »
Quote from: ReVo on September 08, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
God help you if you roll that Spit over in the middle of the fight though.  :lol
Erm, not really.  To dive you have to roll it over, unless you want the engine to cut out.  You just need to maintain at least a slight positive G force.
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2013, 01:52:47 PM »
I will say that i prefer the hurri as oppose to the spit 1.

Quote from: Bruv119 on September 08, 2013, 12:43:05 PM
errr  nope,   in a strict 1vs1  the e-mil will fail to get a good enough gun solution.   

Whilst he can try to zoom climb, if the e-mil burns a fraction too much E turning, the Spit's greater climbing performance and turn rate will result in the e-mil with nowhere to go except runaway. 

If you wish to be disproved the next time we are both online then we can go in a custom room and I will remove all doubt in your mind. 

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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2013, 01:54:18 PM »
what you spraying a bunch of 110G rounds with your throttle cut and a wingman for cover. 

anytime in private!    :ahand
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2013, 02:06:21 PM »
Quote from: Bruv119 on September 08, 2013, 01:54:18 PM
what you spraying a bunch of 110G rounds with your throttle cut and a wingman for cover. 

anytime in private!    :ahand
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ANd ive seen you do that in your spit5 with nuke before :neener:
and its called flying smart :D


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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2013, 03:11:10 PM »
Quote from: Bruv119 on September 08, 2013, 12:43:05 PM
errr  nope,   in a strict 1vs1  the e-mil will fail to get a good enough gun solution.   

Whilst he can try to zoom climb, if the e-mil burns a fraction too much E turning, the Spit's greater climbing performance and turn rate will result in the e-mil with nowhere to go except runaway. 

If you wish to be disproved the next time we are both online then we can go in a custom room and I will remove all doubt in your mind. 

 :salute

Cocky little diddlyer ain't you ;)   With a proper 109 driver in the Emil (I don't know what an "e-mil" is) the Spit will have to work hard for the kill. The Spit can't "easily woop an e-mil without having to go all out".
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2013, 03:46:20 PM »
see now your playing on words woop and work hard are variable.   

If you be aggressive with my spit you might last 2 / 3 full loops.   If you be timid you might last 1 or 2 bnz passes. 

However the end result = Spit owns EMIL!!!
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