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Offline earl1937

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Re: realistic bomber speeds
« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2013, 02:07:20 PM »
Could a P38 theoretically fly at max continuous power during climb, cruise and combat maneuvering with the reserve for wep usage and have no oil/coolant overheating problems? I have no idea how it was and how performance is modeled in the game. I am asking because it doesn't`t seem logical to me. If those high performance fighters could fly full throttle all the time without overheating they would have reliable reserve to push the engine even further for a short time without the wep. 
:airplane: I don't know of any "real" aircraft which are operated at full throttle all the time! Personally, in any twin or four engine aircraft which I ever flew, I wanted to get 20 knots above VMC speed as quickly as possible! What you are concerned about more than anything else is taking care of those engines where they will get you home again! I would think the guys flying 38's in the SWPAT, "baby" those engines for all their skill. I would imagine that if an airbase was getting a air raid warning, then everyone would climb out at full power to get as much altitude as quickly as possible. But other than that, I can see no reason to abuse engines climbing to altitude because you are not running a race. I would guess also that in aerial combat, yes, they were probably full power at least most of the time, another reason to take care of your engines so that you could have full power available to you when you needed it. There are two instances that you must consider when climbing out: Best rate of climb, most altitude gained in shortest amount of time, or standard cruise climb, which is developed by the test pilots at the factory, which take into account, engine heating, fuel consumption, pilot work load, and mission profile.
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Re: realistic bomber speeds
« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2013, 03:35:29 PM »
Just spitballin here but, why not make flying at historic throttle settings an optional risk/reward thing.  the time a player ups a new bomber sortie and the time that sortie ends (in whatever way it ends) is recorded in the game code right? Using that data make it so that if a player flies a certain % of their bomber sortie at historic power settings then his perk reward is increased by a small %. Of course this is absolutely optional as players could still fly the entire sortie at max throttle, so it would be easy to opt out of it for those players not concerned with perks.  Several throttle and rpm settings are listed in the E6B for each aircraft, so designate the "max cruse" setting as the threshold.

I have know idea how complicated this would be to implement, and I know this wouldn't work outside of the MAs but it seems like it might be a good compromise solution to get some players to fly at historic speed.
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Offline muzik

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Re: realistic bomber speeds
« Reply #47 on: September 25, 2013, 08:10:02 PM »
Also it was rather abused in WB, people would just up bombers and fly them over the base and turn on Otto and use the B-17 as an air mobile AAA platform.

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Re: realistic bomber speeds
« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2013, 08:54:58 PM »
Just spitballin here but, why not make flying at historic throttle settings an optional risk/reward thing.  the time a player ups a new bomber sortie and the time that sortie ends (in whatever way it ends) is recorded in the game code right? Using that data make it so that if a player flies a certain % of their bomber sortie at historic power settings then his perk reward is increased by a small %. Of course this is absolutely optional as players could still fly the entire sortie at max throttle, so it would be easy to opt out of it for those players not concerned with perks.  Several throttle and rpm settings are listed in the E6B for each aircraft, so designate the "max cruse" setting as the threshold.

I have know idea how complicated this would be to implement, and I know this wouldn't work outside of the MAs but it seems like it might be a good compromise solution to get some players to fly at historic speed.

because you will find guys flying in the rear at "historical speeds" doing nothing just to get the perks.



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Offline muzik

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Re: realistic bomber speeds
« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2013, 09:18:11 PM »
because you will find guys flying in the rear at "historical speeds" doing nothing just to get the perks.



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Maybe you don't get the perks if you don't hit a target.

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Re: realistic bomber speeds
« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2013, 09:37:17 PM »
I don't get this thread.  Buffs = 260+  Fighters = 350+  Why this thread?

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Re: realistic bomber speeds
« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2013, 09:46:48 PM »
Maybe you don't get the perks if you don't hit a target.



what i mean is fly at historical speeds in the rear for hours while watching movies.  then rest of tour earn extra perks for doing nothing extra.



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Offline tmetal

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Re: realistic bomber speeds
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2013, 10:09:01 PM »
what i mean is fly at historical speeds in the rear for hours while watching movies.  then rest of tour earn extra perks for doing nothing extra.



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I get what you are saying. But I was just suggesting a modifier % to perks earned on a bomber sortie. You don't get any perks if you don't either bomb something or shoot something down. So if a player just flew around at historic speed settings behind friendly lines they still wouldn't earn any perks, just like how it is now.
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Re: realistic bomber speeds
« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2013, 10:45:16 PM »
what i mean is fly at historical speeds in the rear for hours while watching movies.  then rest of tour earn extra perks for doing nothing extra.



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I got what you meant.

He suggested creating an incentive for flying at historical speeds. You suggested someone will game it when a simple solution would put a bosh on that perk farming worry.

I could care less if they implement it or not, but I don't support the simplified version of the OP.
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