realistic bomber speeds

[SirNuke]

 

[cobia38]

 did someone get slapped by a bomber 

[SirNuke]

did someone get slapped by a bomber 

no, I was just observing the impossibility to recreate historical events that involve bombers. Didn't log in the MA this month.

[Butcher]

Go back to when Scenarios had B-24s and B-17s above 25k going full speed.

Yeah, I don't like scenarios much because of it.

[Soulyss]

Go back to when Scenarios had B-24s and B-17s above 25k going full speed.

Yeah, I don't like scenarios much because of it.

Actually in my experience bomber groups typically don't fly at full throttle once they've climbed to altitude.  Full throttle makes it hard to keep the groups together which is really important to survival.  Once they level off you back off the throttle and keep everyone together to increase the defensive fire.

[SmokinLoon]

Actually in my experience bomber groups typically don't fly at full throttle once they've climbed to altitude.  Full throttle makes it hard to keep the groups together which is really important to survival.  Once they level off you back off the throttle and keep everyone together to increase the defensive fire.

%90+ throttle is still a long ways off from the typical 220 mph speed B24's bombed at in the PTO. 

Aside from the B29, Mossi B Mk 16's, and Ar234's, I'm not sure which of the level bombers in AH dropped ordnance at speeds over 250.  Sure, the bombers could do it but there were so many factors present in the real deal that prohibited them from going balls deep on the throttle and while in a bombing run.  In AH, none of those factors are present and the bombers can abuse every inch of the throttle without hesitation.

I don't think it would be a bad thing to A> allow for bomb drops only in F6 mode; B> have a max speed allowed for most level bombers of X speed (250?).

[FLS]

Fighters didn't fly full speed either. Why just ask for bombers to slow down?

[Soulyss]

Since the fighters engines would be subjected to the same wear as the bombers, shouldn't the same restrictions apply to them as well ? 

[Karnak]

Fighters didn't fly full speed either. Why just ask for bombers to slow down?

Fighters did fly at full speed in combat, formation based bombers did not.

What percentage of its sortie do you think an He111 in Spet. 1940 spent at full throttle?  What percentage do you think a Hurricane Mk I spent at full throttle?

Not everything was a P-51 doing long range bomber escort.


Mind you, bombers get slaughtered in the MA so I don't think slowing them down would be good for the game, but it is for game reasons that I hold that position.

[Butcher]

Actually in my experience bomber groups typically don't fly at full throttle once they've climbed to altitude.  Full throttle makes it hard to keep the groups together which is really important to survival.  Once they level off you back off the throttle and keep everyone together to increase the defensive fire.

In my experience, leaders throttle back so the group gets back together until they get to a certain alt then floor it with a half a pack of cigarettes. This started in 2004 or 2005, if you cannot get together in the first climb out then you delay the formation, but I really don't recall in the past 10 years any formation of bombers being so out of wack they needed to throttle back (the leader) to keep a formation together, once everyone was in formation it was "FLOOR IT!".

/now I think about it, once or twice - it depended if people launched out of hangers instead of airfields, but that is so rare i cannot remember the last time buffs launched from hangers
this was in fact so long ago, ALT Caps started going into place where buffs got to a certain alt circling then proceeded to their target at full speed, before hand people just circled as far as they could go

[Guppy35]

In both the DGS events with the 17s and 24s they often were jockeying the throttles to keep the formations together.  As an escort driver the full throttle call generally came on the way home as they started to let down.  Considering the punishment those guys took, I don't feel real bad for the fighter drivers.

If running full throttle helps a bomber guy survive a scenario frame more power to them.  They tend to get pounded.

[FLS]

Fighters did fly at full speed in combat, formation based bombers did not.

What percentage of its sortie do you think an He111 in Spet. 1940 spent at full throttle?  What percentage do you think a Hurricane Mk I spent at full throttle?

Not everything was a P-51 doing long range bomber escort.


Mind you, bombers get slaughtered in the MA so I don't think slowing them down would be good for the game, but it is for game reasons that I hold that position.

I don't believe fighters flew full throttle from takeoff to landing like we do. For scenarios you can always tell the bomber pilots what speed to fly for historical accuracy. Since scenarios are scored and filmed you can deduct for speeding.

[guncrasher]

how about realistic deaths too?   



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[Franz Von Werra]

'Realist bomber speeds' is governed by engine endurance...

Russian mass produced generic aircraft seemsed to have had the most issues with overheating...

Guessing that German Engineering had precision and quality, so the least...

USA and then Britain probably between those two...

Our plane's WEP kinda covers this stuff...
Really though, the end result of keeping the pedal to the metal would increase the 'chance' of blowing an engine, hence something somewhere fails. Yeah though, temperature would have to do with it. Hunting down this type of info wouldn't be easy, since 'how long a plane could maintain its speed isn't usually recorded.

I agree that it can be frustrating if strugling to catch up to bombers when they seem faster and/or outclimbing a fighter.
See, wartime, bombers flew together going in one direction, in game though, independent 3-sets of bombers just turn a little and stuff. So, fighters trying to get ahead for the ideal head on attack isn't easy.

[Bruv119]

schlowy is that you bro?