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Offline rogwar

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College prep program - an observation
« on: September 23, 2013, 11:26:54 AM »
Went with my daughter to orientation and initial testing this past Saturday. The program goes 9th through 12th grade and is in addition to high school, focusing on test prep for PSAT, SAT, and ACT as well as scholarship and college application help. Program costs $2,600 and I believe will be money well spent assuming daughter keeps doing her part. It's for significantly increasing your chances for acceptance at top universities and for scholarships (generally sciences and engineering). It's a local North Texas company with very good reviews and past results.

Anyhow, my observation from wandering around a bit checking out the classrooms and labs is about 70% to nearly 80% of the students are from the East Indian, Paki, and Asian ethnic group. Not talking about foreign students. These are kids of people that live here, many probably even multi-generation.

I have my own ideas but it would be interesting to see why you think there is such a large percentage? And why is it so disproportionate to the general ethic makeup of our society?


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Re: College prep program - an observation
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 11:35:39 AM »
If she likes math and physics, don't worry about the other classmates. A female in engineering will go far no matter how smart she is. Females in engineering are in relatively small numbers and companies hire them fast. Just don't let her land a job that requires a lot of travel. I am not going to go into details, but it is not a safe idea.
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Re: College prep program - an observation
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 11:59:02 AM »
I have my own ideas but it would be interesting to see why you think there is such a large percentage? And why is it so disproportionate to the general ethic makeup of our society?
overall value of education and family values. could get more detailed but it wouldn't be wise...
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Re: College prep program - an observation
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2013, 12:05:26 PM »
If I had to guess, I'd say the parents' opinions carry more weight in those households. Instead of the father just going "OK son, it's your life. If you want to study art history, do what makes you happy", it's more of "you're going to study engineering, and you're going to like it".
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Re: College prep program - an observation
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2013, 12:08:41 PM »
every college around here (msu, Uofmich) selectivly pick kids that are not calcasion. A white male has a harder time getting in to one of these schools over someone who is different race or gender even though they have idectical transcripts.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2013, 12:12:28 PM »
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Re: College prep program - an observation
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2013, 12:41:50 PM »
overall value of education and family values. could get more detailed but it wouldn't be wise...

^^^That

As much as I hate it when ESPN decides to throw the national spelling bee on its broadcast (seriously, why is the spelling bee on ESPN?), just look at the demographics of the spelling bee.  That is enough of an idea the value these populations put on such academics.  Unfortunately, even with the court case that went to the supreme court this past year due to affirmative action nonsense, colleges will still do it across the board saying they need to diversify the populations regardless of academic standards.  This is where the nonsense comes in because colleges put each demographic against each other and will take amongst each.  So not trying to be racist at all, Asians (this includes all Asians, Indian, middle eastern, Chinese, Japanese, etc) is the worst group to be part of because of the fact the way these children are raised they do have the highest academic scores but obviously a school isnt going to take a majority of one class so these children have to compete amongst themselves.  Same goes with African Americans, Caucasians, etc.  Unfortunately though this system does backfire when you have children of African American descent who normally on average do score lower that children of other demographics get into schools with lower academic standards because schools dont want to be seen as favoring one group over another.  Graduate school is where this really hurts individuals because class sizes are a lot smaller than undergraduate class sizes and kids get left out over someone with lower academic scores to avoid a school being labeled as racially unequal.   
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2013, 12:46:38 PM »
i blame "no child left behind"...which effectively means "dumb it down and teach to the lowest level" rather than the way it used to be.
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2013, 12:59:46 PM »
Personally I dont think its no child left behind while it definitely does have its faults, its the whole thing about equal opportunity.  These people protesting that (while I am trying to avoid going there it is hard), they are not getting financial aid as foreign students or being illegal immigrants.  The biggest fault I put on is Affirmative Action that is still being practiced 40 years after the desegregation and the DREAM Act which I think is absolute ludicrous.  This past year, (avoiding politics but just an example), Obama had given a Nigerian immigrated student US citizenship after he was initially accepted to Ohio State Medical School but later acceptance was revoked after it was discovered he was not a US citizen.  On the medical school application system one of the first things that it asks is are you a US citizen. 

But like I mentioned before schools give special treatment to these under represented minorities.  As sad as it is, if you are of African American or Latino descent, that is the golden ticket into getting in any school.  John Hopkins medical, one of the most prestigious medical schools, has been known to let in those of the under represented minority whose academics are well below the Asian and Caucasian descent same goes with Harvard and Yale law.  All schools do it, its just a shame when these groups protest that they don't get fair treatment.  If anything its unequal treatment keeping children out that deserve it just because of the color of their skin.
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2013, 01:02:44 PM »
i blame "no child left behind"...which effectively means "dumb it down and teach to the lowest level" rather than the way it used to be.

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Re: College prep program - an observation
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2013, 02:01:51 PM »
If she likes math and physics, don't worry about the other classmates. A female in engineering will go far no matter how smart she is. Females in engineering are in relatively small numbers and companies hire them fast. Just don't let her land a job that requires a lot of travel. I am not going to go into details, but it is not a safe idea.

I just found it an interesting curiosity. I'm happy for everyone trying to provide their kids a better opportunity regardless of background.


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Re: College prep program - an observation
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2013, 05:46:25 PM »
This has been going a lot longer than NCLB. For college who knows but there are a lot of politics involved and many are noted here. For high school level taking that extra step for colleve prep is awesome. Great you are doing it because she clearly will have the same chance as anyone in the course. As to the seeming disparity my opinion is it has to do with thoughts of right versus privilege. Many of those families came here and had to claw their way the whole way. They know how hard they have to work and go well beyond. They mknow the dream takes work and drive so hard to get it. For those who have been here there is a certain level of expectation that we will succeed no matter what and sometimes just knowing it isn't enough. Just an observation on life nothing with stats or pie involved.

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Re: College prep program - an observation
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2013, 05:55:51 PM »
I have my own ideas but it would be interesting to see why you think there is such a large percentage? And why is it so disproportionate to the general ethic makeup of our society?

Those groups place a very high value on education and achievement in practical academic areas.  Some other social and ethnic groups do not, on average, do so.

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Re: College prep program - an observation
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2013, 06:54:44 PM »
As to the seeming disparity my opinion is it has to do with thoughts of right versus privilege. Many of those families came here and had to claw their way the whole way. They know how hard they have to work and go well beyond. They mknow the dream takes work and drive so hard to get it. For those who have been here there is a certain level of expectation that we will succeed no matter what

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2013, 07:14:46 PM »
i blame "no child left behind"...which effectively means "dumb it down and teach to the lowest level" rather than the way it used to be.
I, as a student, hated no child left behind. It gave me no reason to try even remotely hard in school. Why should I do my best when another kid can be babied through the whole year by the teacher and pass only because that teacher wouldn't let their grade fall with "completion grades" (aka free 100's) and bs like that?  Teachers don't give you grades, you earn them. But with no child left behind, those grades were handed out like candy.
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