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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2013, 12:47:38 AM »
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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2013, 05:00:58 PM »
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They don't fill the A10s gap at all.....a prop plane would be closer to filling the gap then those fast movers.

 Higher ups probably think they don't need the A10 any more because of AH64s and AC130s along with the new drones coming out.....I personally think they are wrong.
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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2013, 07:21:09 PM »
AH-64s don't do CAS, technically they are Close Combat Attack (CCA).  They do not require JTAC control.  The AC-130 cannot survive in a high threat environment, and is typically prohibited from flying at all during the day.  The Reaper can do quite a bit of what the A-10 does, but doesn't quite replace it.  It lacks the gun, but partly makes up for it by being able to hang around for a ridiculous amount of time.

The F-22 will probably not ever be used for CAS, but the F-35 can do most of the mission set (as we have just seen in our recent exercises here as I mentioned).  The low and slow thing used to be a big factor (fast movers couldn't spot stuff due to being too high and fast), but now that all fighter aircraft carry Sniper pods and the like, that is not an issue anymore.  

The F-35 can do from 20k most of what the A-10 can do down low (the big exception is the gun of course).  The gun is something that nothing else but the A-10 can do in quite the same way, no question about it.  Even that though may not be as big a deal as you might think.  With the racks filled with small diameter bombs (SDB-II), a single F-35 could kill a dozen tanks or more, with little risk to itself, and almost no chance of missing.  The A-10 doesn't carry enough ammunition to do much more than that (they have enough for about 17 seconds trigger time), although you could make the argument that if the A-10 was carrying as many SDB's, it would still have the gun on top of that, and that is a good point.

In the end, there is no question, there has never been, and will probably never be an aircraft as good at CAS as the A-10, but it may itself be forced to perform CAS from a high altitude due to all the modern threat systems out there.  If it is forced to stay high, then the F-35 is going to be better.  Even at high altitude the A-10 may not be survivable with the latest SAM's that are starting to proliferate.  Note that being the best spyplane ever did not stop the SR-71 from being retired.

Here is to hoping that lack of money (a small amount in the federal budget really) does not prematurely end the A-10's reign as guardian angel for our troops.  My old commander (who was an A-10 pilot) had an A-10 decal on the windshield of his HMMWV with the caption "for when you are all out of hooah!"
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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2013, 07:24:23 PM »
Actually if killing tanks in large numbers is the objective, and the threat level permits it, then what you really want is a 2-ship of B-1s running side by side with the bays full of CBU-97s.  An attack like that would wipe out an entire armored division.

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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2013, 07:26:24 PM »
Gen Welsh has said he does NOT want to get rid of the A-10, if it happens, it is because of lack of money pure and simple.  What would you cut if you were faced with that hard choice?  They have a whole lot of stuff on the table, not just the A-10.  The MC-12 and the KC-10 just don't have the same legion of dedicated fans.
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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2013, 05:24:02 AM »
Get rid of the A-10, and spend that money on 3 meals a day for the whole world.

The ultimate goal should be to get rid of it :old:
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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2013, 11:08:45 AM »
Get rid of the A-10, and spend that money on 3 meals a day for the whole world.

The ultimate goal should be to get rid of it :old:
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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2013, 04:06:39 PM »
Get rid of the A-10, and spend that money on 3 meals a day for the whole world.

The ultimate goal should be to get rid of it :old:


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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2013, 11:45:52 AM »
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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2013, 12:31:37 PM »
DurrD yes technically the AH64 is CCA but when seen from boots on ground it doesn't matter if it has rotors or not.

A10s end firefights without even firing their gun....that is the fear people like the Taliban have for it.....your right the other planes can do the job minus the gun but it's the gun and the thunder it makes which helps the dudes on the ground the most whether it's being used or if they think it will be used.
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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2013, 12:46:31 PM »
Well ...since America is now the Land of Outsourcing  :bhead..... maybe we could purchase a few hundred SU-25KMs to fill the void. At least the Russians and Ukrainians still recognize a viable place for a hard hitting and survivable subsonic ground attack aircraft.

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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2013, 01:12:01 PM »
Interestingly the Su-25 is actually supersonic in a clean config. With two MiG-21 engines it is an A-10 on amphetamine.
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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2013, 01:56:14 PM »
The ultimate goal should be to get rid of it 

The ultimate goal should be to get rid of the reason you need it.

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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2013, 02:14:28 PM »
The ultimate goal should be to get rid of the reason you need it.

This coming from people playing a war game. That's like starting an organization called Christians Against Christ.  ;)

Well we'll have to get rid of every fully tracked armoured combat vehicle in the world first. Good luck with that. The sheer volume we put out at BAE Systems, York alone would keep the SU-25 in business for decades to come. I can only imagine what the Rooskies are resetting and remanufacturing over there in tankland.
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Re: Getting rid of the A-10?
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2013, 02:43:21 PM »
The ultimate goal should be to get rid of it :old:

No. That would require changing the very nature of mankind. Every attempt of doing that has resulted in genocide and immeasurable horror. I like us the way we are, even if we need violence from time to time to keep the bad elements in check.
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