Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers

[surfinn]

When I bombed that tiger no friendlies were on the plateaus. When I was in a fighter and first spotted the tiger on the platuaus a friendly was almost over the lip. I strafed the tiger to try to distract him for the friendly to no avail, the tiger 1 nailed him as soon as he crested. Bombing tanks that are almost impossible for other tanks to get to, or kill from long range is not dwebery its what you should do if your providing air support for your GV team mates.

[TDeacon]

When I bombed that tiger no friendlies were on the plateaus. When I was in a fighter and first spotted the tiger on the platuaus a friendly was almost over the lip. I strafed the tiger to try to distract him for the friendly to no avail, the tiger 1 nailed him as soon as he crested. Bombing tanks that are almost impossible for other tanks to get to, or kill from long range is not dwebery its what you should do if your providing air support for your GV team mates.

I was just approaching the crest when someone (I recall that it was you) killed the Tiger.  His engine was on, and he didn't know I was coming.  Quite unnecessary.

Almost without exception, it is annoying when "friendly" AC bomb opponents in a tank battle, let alone when their AC bomb us.  Maybe it's my anti-horde mentality and sense of fair play, or maybe it's just self-serving (I want to get the kill myself), but that is how I see it.  I see you do GV, so it's not that.  Do you just spawn camp and trade shots at long distance, or do you like me prefer GV "furballing," involving maneuvering over the terrain to get position (yes that includes going up on hills and plateaus)?  Maybe the former is the problem.  

MH

[VonMessa]

When I bombed that tiger no friendlies were on the plateaus. When I was in a fighter and first spotted the tiger on the platuaus a friendly was almost over the lip. I strafed the tiger to try to distract him for the friendly to no avail, the tiger 1 nailed him as soon as he crested. Bombing tanks that are almost impossible for other tanks to get to, or kill from long range is not dwebery its what you should do if your providing air support for your GV team mates.

No good deed goes unpunished.   

[surfinn]

On the crater map you can move about a bit so I like to hunt down those that have killed me before. Sometimes in the small hills and trees and if that gets boring I'll go into the town.

[Karnak]

What about simply making GVs more resistant to bomb explosions so as to require greater accuracy to have effect with bombs?

[Lusche]

What about simply making GVs more resistant to bomb explosions so as to require greater accuracy to have effect with bombs?

That's a slippery road...  


But I tell you GV guys what one of my personal 'adjustments' would be - reduced perk loss for GV's when being bombed by planes.
The problem is the perk cost largely reflect the capability of tanks in ground combat, as it should be. The Tiger II for example substantially outclasses its opposition and thus fully deserves the 100 perk price tag. Or the JagdPanther its 30 perks (actually I think they are still rather low)
But when it comes to planes&bombs, both are about as much sitting ducks as any other tank. And unlike perk planes, there is nothing much you can do about it, if someone else decides to bomb ya, he will bomb ya. You can't fight him, you can not run away, and you can hardly evade. You can only stay at home and sit on concrete, ready to .ef
And that's one reason why you see so few of them going out there and fight their equally powerful brethren - because one of them has to leave home for that and will soon have a bomb on its head.

[Tinkles]

That's a slippery road...  


But I tell you GV guys what one of my personal 'adjustments' would be - reduced perk loss for GV's when being bombed by planes.
The problem is the perk cost largely reflect the capability of tanks in ground combat, as it should be. The Tiger II for example substantially outclasses its opposition and thus fully deserves the 100 perk price tag. Or the JagdPanther its 30 perks (actually I think they are still rather low)
But when it comes to planes&bombs, both are about as much sitting ducks as any other tank. And unlike perk planes, there is nothing much you can do about it, if someone else decides to bomb ya, he will bomb ya. You can't fight him, you can not run away, and you can hardly evade. You can only stay at home and sit on concrete, ready to .ef
And that's one reason why you see so few of them going out there and fight their equally powerful brethren - because one of them has to leave home for that and will soon have a bomb on its head.

This.

I can support.

If the same can be applied to planes being killed by gvs, then +1 for both. (Gotta be fair after all  )

But seriously, I think THIS is the best wish I've seen in awhile re-guarding this issue.

Tinkles

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[Karnak]

That's a slippery road...  

Yes and no.  The problem with bombs that detonate after hitting the ground is that the vast majority of their destructive energy is redirected back into the air.  I actually think AH is very liberal with its blast radius as it is.

[RotBaron]

That's a slippery road...  


But I tell you GV guys what one of my personal 'adjustments' would be - reduced perk loss for GV's when being bombed by planes.
The problem is the perk cost largely reflect the capability of tanks in ground combat, as it should be. The Tiger II for example substantially outclasses its opposition and thus fully deserves the 100 perk price tag. Or the JagdPanther its 30 perks (actually I think they are still rather low)
But when it comes to planes&bombs, both are about as much sitting ducks as any other tank. And unlike perk planes, there is nothing much you can do about it, if someone else decides to bomb ya, he will bomb ya. You can't fight him, you can not run away, and you can hardly evade. You can only stay at home and sit on concrete, ready to .ef
And that's one reason why you see so few of them going out there and fight their equally powerful brethren - because one of them has to leave home for that and will soon have a bomb on its head.

Good idea  +1   

[TDeacon]

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But I tell you GV guys what one of my personal 'adjustments' would be - reduced perk loss for GV's when being bombed by planes.
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Lusche, I agree with your analysis of the problem, but your solution doesn't appeal.  I have plenty of GV perk points, and in fact they keep increasing.  The main irritant to being bombed in the middle of an interesting GV fight is that it ruins the fight.  We play AH for the fights, not to accumulate perk points.  Furthermore, your solution has little visibility to the ground attack guys, so their behavior, both good and bad, would remain unchanged.  

MH

[VonMessa]

Lusche, I agree with your analysis of the problem, but your solution doesn't appeal.  I have plenty of GV perk points, and in fact they keep increasing.  The main irritant to being bombed in the middle of an interesting GV fight is that it ruins the fight.  We play AH for the fights, not to accumulate perk points.  Furthermore, your solution has little visibility to the ground attack guys, so their behavior, both good and bad, would remain unchanged.  

MH

So, you are just looking to control the way folks play?

Change their behavior to suit your style of gameplay.

Gotcha 

[asterix]

-1 for the original wish just because I like bombing tanks and sometimes they can only be found around vehicle bases. With no icons the visibility seems poorer than it should be because of the picture quality. In a gv battle there are often guys sitting still for a long time with their engine off making approach very difficult. Especially if they are concealed from three sides. I am glad if a friendly ground attacker gets rid of him or bombs some spawn campers. I think the fear of getting bombed speeds up the fight a little. Nobody usually takes a B29 for a flight unless they get a lot of altitude, friendly air superiority or escort. Same should be with the Tiger 2, except the altitude part of course.

[TDeacon]

So, you are just looking to control the way folks play?

Change their behavior to suit your style of gameplay.

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Yes, that is correct.  However, what you guys keep ignoring is that it would just be in the VBase circles, so that normal style of play would still occur everywhere else.  There is no way to fix the problem without changing behavior, since the behavior is the problem (yes I know you think it isn't a problem, but you are mistaken).  Note that it is inherent to any game that the *rules of the game* are designed to control the behavior of the players.  Thus, our game is already full of mechanisms designed to control behavior, such as the strat system, perk points, killshooter, etc., etc.  
MH

[TDeacon]

-1 for the original wish just because I like bombing tanks and sometimes they can only be found around vehicle bases. With no icons the visibility seems poorer than it should be because of the picture quality. In a gv battle there are often guys sitting still for a long time with their engine off making approach very difficult. Especially if they are concealed from three sides. I am glad if a friendly ground attacker gets rid of him or bombs some spawn campers. I think the fear of getting bombed speeds up the fight a little. Nobody usually takes a B29 for a flight unless they get a lot of altitude, friendly air superiority or escort. Same should be with the Tiger 2, except the altitude part of course.

You inadvertently point out one of the essential reasons why we need some sort of GV-safe areas in the game.  A player can always unilaterally take precautions to protect his/her perk plane, such as altitude in the case of the B29.  There is no equivalent unilateral precaution that the Tiger II guy can take.  Of course operating in a horde solves all problems, but forcing this behavior lessens the quality of the game.  

BTW, you are entirely mistaken in suggesting that attacking GVs *need* attack planes in order to succeed.  Several common ways to counter a concealed GV are bring a friend to approach from 2 sides, or if alone, take a route 1-2K off to the side thus forcing him to move if he wants to engage you, or climb a hill (if the terrain has any) to see over the ambusher's cover, etc.  Since I play alone, I often do the latter 2, although there are other tactics as well.  There is a lot more depth to the GV game than stationary spawn camping and shooting from a "firing line" of GVs.  In fact, the more interesting part of the GV game is experienced when you realize this and begin to play and learn accordingly.  

MH

[The Fugitive]

I LIKE bombing gvs, much like I like shooting buffs and fighters down.

You looking to give gvs a bomb free zone. Let's doe the same for bombers and fighters as well and everyone can hide in their little safe zones....... All 8 or 10 of the final game subscribers any way.

Give it up TDeacon