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Here's one for Betty and others who are
« on: October 06, 2013, 09:27:59 PM »
Informed and understand that it isn't the dog that's the problem..

This is a new track by Tiki Taane ... a Kiwi musician on taking a stand

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/national/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_objectid=11131104&gallery_id=137795

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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 02:10:10 AM »
LOVE IT!! Thank you for sharing!!
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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2013, 02:03:05 PM »
LOVE IT!! Thank you for sharing!!

There are No "bad Dogs'"..Just "low-life owners"  :mad:   :mad:   :furious  :furious
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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 02:38:28 PM »
There are No "bad Dogs'"..Just "low-life owners"  :mad:   :mad:   :furious  :furious



  Ya my killer is laying on the floor giving me "that" look!

  She either wants me to throw a ball or feed her a treat.... :devil


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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2013, 06:08:23 PM »
Dog fighting of today is far different then it was in the past, it was once a suit and tie affair, the dogs didn't fight to the death....(for the most part)

they had rules and an opponent could call a "turn" if a dog turned away from the dog that he was fighting, they would break up the dogs and bring them to opposing corners(this is one reason why the dogs could never be human aggressive they actually put down any "man fighters" as they were called)....and then release the dog that had the turn called on it...if the dog didn't immediately  Scratch (attack) (they called it scratching due to the sounds the claws make) the other dog, the fight was over...there were a lot of rules....they Loved their dogs....They were the first to keep official records of the dogs Lineage.

one thing people forget the dog is what it is because of its history...

the American Pittbull today is NOT the same dog ether, it lost its love of people due to mass modern bad breeding..(they were called the nanny dog...ww1 hero was an APBT) it was the most beloved dog in america and was exactly what america used to be..the originals were breed for the desire to fight....Their "Game"...or what some may refer to as "heart" in man.
that and only that was how they choose what dog to breed....

fighters don't "train" the dogs to fight, they do it naturally...you have to train them NOT to fight.

Morf knows all this.... :D

I would never have fought my APBT but I respect were her breed came from.....I am glad because without her ancestors I would Never have had the greatest dog man ever made. I have owned a few dogs, and Mia a true 45 lb dynamo, was the only dog that never growled at my kids. By far the greatest Dog I have ever met.

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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 05:18:52 PM »
Dog fighting of today is far different then it was in the past, it was once a suit and tie affair, the dogs didn't fight to the death....(for the most part)

they had rules and an opponent could call a "turn" if a dog turned away from the dog that he was fighting, they would break up the dogs and bring them to opposing corners(this is one reason why the dogs could never be human aggressive they actually put down any "man fighters" as they were called)....and then release the dog that had the turn called on it...if the dog didn't immediately  Scratch (attack) (they called it scratching due to the sounds the claws make) the other dog, the fight was over...there were a lot of rules....they Loved their dogs....They were the first to keep official records of the dogs Lineage.

one thing people forget the dog is what it is because of its history...

the American Pittbull today is NOT the same dog ether, it lost its love of people due to mass modern bad breeding..(they were called the nanny dog...ww1 hero was an APBT) it was the most beloved dog in america and was exactly what america used to be..the originals were breed for the desire to fight....Their "Game"...or what some may refer to as "heart" in man.
that and only that was how they choose what dog to breed....

fighters don't "train" the dogs to fight, they do it naturally...you have to train them NOT to fight.

Morf knows all this.... :D

I would never have fought my APBT but I respect were her breed came from.....I am glad because without her ancestors I would Never have had the greatest dog man ever made. I have owned a few dogs, and Mia a true 45 lb dynamo, was the only dog that never growled at my kids. By far the greatest Dog I have ever met.


  Yes Ink,I've been a student of the fighting arts for over 50 years,this includes the bloodsports!

  You were pretty close on your description of a match,but they actually had 3 lines in the"pit" the scratch line was in the center of the pit and the dog that had the "turn" called on had to cross the center line.

  The term"he's not up to scratch" comes from this activity,so does being axed from the job and several other common terms.

  Ink mentioned "game" this was the most desired trait and money was no object to obtain a dog that was game.While Ink is correct that most fight didn't end in a death there was a term "dead game" that was used to describe a dog with so much heart it actually crossed the scratch line only to die as a result of the fight. All of this was the "gentlemans" pastime andtremendous amounts of money were wagered.

  You can read ads in the London Times about dogs standing at challenge and the cost of a match,5000 pounds was not uncommon!  Sometimes animals other than dogs were used,even humans were matched in the pits against dogs!


  Yes it's a brutal affair,something I would never get involved with but I have a keen interest in the history and mostly the types of dogs used. Most don't realize that dogs as small as 5 pounds were fought or that some of the smaller dogs would be placed in the pit to kill rats and these rats were often as large as the dogs!

   IIRC the world record is 1 minute and 28 seconds to dispatch 100 rats........ wow!


  It's a cruel and indecent activity but like anything lest we forget we are bound to repeat.



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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2013, 05:26:31 PM »
ya I wasn't gonna write up all the rules :P

I couldn't imagine fighting Mia...no friggen way, but I know without their history those dogs would not be...


its crazy what some will do though, that story about the lions was insane... :O

it drives me nuts to see what has become of my dog....the friggen new "bully" is a disgusting atrocity. :mad:

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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 06:48:18 PM »

 

  It's a cruel and indecent activity but like anything lest we forget we are bound to repeat. <<---------

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Pretty much sums it up... :aok
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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2013, 06:57:04 PM »
Because of the bloodline you describe, they love fighting as much as a lab loves it's ball. When you don't accept that reality and never correct for it during training is when you have problems. If your the type of person who's animals never leave the backyard, don't get a pit.
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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2013, 03:38:28 PM »
Because of the bloodline you describe, they love fighting as much as a lab loves it's ball. When you don't accept that reality and never correct for it during training is when you have problems. If your the type of person who's animals never leave the backyard, don't get a pit.

 Suns,

  there are very few"bloodlines" that still produce "game" dogs! Most the dogs people call pits are the furthest thing from a true pitbull you can get. They have been crossed with breeds that are known to be human aggressive,something a "game" dog of bloodlines would never be.

  My dogs rarely leave the yard,except to see the Vet or the odd late night walk. I don't own the "typical" pitbull I have Staffordshire Bullterriers which are the original fighting dogs from England,these are the dogs known as the Nanny Dog and are 1 of only a couple breeds which state in the breed standard that they have an affinity towards children.

  While you are correct that they do enjoy a good tussel,mine would wrestle in the yard all day if I let them but it never got outta hand and they never hurt each other because it is play to them. If I let them do this with say a lab or shepard well then the other breed might get hurt because they just cant handle the technique of the terriers.

 I do agree they are not the dog for everyone and should never be considered as a first dogma lab is a much better choice but all dogs are born the same,it's how they are raised that makes the difference.

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 PS: I once owned a UDX certified English Bull Terrier,as far as I know the only dog of the breed to obtain the title,I cant take credit for it as I had a handler train him but he was my dog!

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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2013, 04:52:02 PM »
My Stuka is one everyone calls "pit bull" and so is his litter mate Tank. Their mom was red nose pit and bull mastiff, the dad was a big red nose pit. My boys can't hold their licker, they LOVE people and have been very much socialized and trained. They currently hold a Canine Good Citizen Certification with AKC and the State of Michigan. The both have learned Freestyle Canine Dog Dancing.

My Boe is lab/pit mix that is training for his CGC test on Sunday and goes to many events with my rescue. I am a HUGE for the Bully breeds. People need to understand that pitbulls or dogs that look like them are a bunch of different breeds mixed together whether it be for color, head size....whatever the case may be. All I know is dog fighters are dirt bags and I hope they all rot in prison when busted. Mike Vick should still be in prison, not playing football. Once a dirt bag, always a dirt bag!

There are no bad dogs, just bad owners. Your dog is what you want them to be. Just like your children. Training is most important and only people willing to do training should own any dog. No matter what breed it is.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2013, 05:13:04 PM »
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I do agree they are not the dog for everyone and should never be considered as a first dogma lab is a much better choice but all dogs are born the same,it's how they are raised that makes the difference.

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There are no bad dogs, just bad owners. Your dog is what you want them to be. Just like your children.

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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2013, 06:19:11 PM »
I blame Walt Disney for this kind of anthropomorphic thinking. They are "animals" not people.


 Rich,

  you can blame Disney all you want,I got my first Bullterrier because of the Disney movie "the incredible journey". However that doesn't change the fact that all puppies are the same and how you raise and train them will determine how they behave as adults.

  I don't treat my dogs as children or people,they are dogs!



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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2013, 06:22:19 PM »
that is where you are wrong, my dogs are my kids too, i teach them respect and manners like my kids. i would never let my kids reek havoc all over so why would i let my dogs? maybe it is just me being a responsible dog owner. atleast i can say my boys are very well behaved and because of a lot of training went into it. my kids are also the same way. well behaved and know their manners.
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Re: Here's one for Betty and others who are
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2013, 07:01:16 PM »
Look I know what its like to love your dog. Nobody loves dogs, or their dog, more then I do.

But they are still an animal and not a person. They will act on instinct and I dont take any chances with mine.

Im sorry but ive taken to many dog bite reports from owners who were astounded "Muffy" took a chunk out of baby Timmy.
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