Walking Dead!!!

[Arlo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis


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" ... causing the limbs of the corpse to become stiff and difficult to move or manipulate."

And yet watch them jaws open and shut rapidly and their hands quickly eviscerate their prey.

[guncrasher]

" ... causing the limbs of the corpse to become stiff and difficult to move or manipulate."

And yet watch them jaws open and shut rapidly and their hands quickly eviscerate their prey.

"After death, cellular respiration in organisms ceases to occur, depleting the corpse of oxygen used in the making of adenosine triphosphate (ATP) allowing the corpse to harden and become stiff. ATP is no longer provided to operate the SERCA pumps in the membrane of the sarcoplasmic reticulum, which pump calcium ions into the terminal cisternae.[1] This causes calcium ions to diffuse from the area of higher concentration (in the terminal cisternae and extracellular fluid) to an area of lower concentration (in the sarcomere), binding with troponin and allowing for crossbridging to occur between myosin and actin proteins. [3]

Unlike in normal muscular contraction, after death, the body is unable to complete the cycle and release the coupling between the myosin and actin, creating a state of muscular contraction until the breakdown of muscle tissue by enzymes (endogenous or bacterial) during decomposition. As part of the process of decomposition, the myosin heads are degraded by the enzymes, allowing the muscle contraction to release and the body to relax"


besides it's a show.  or do you really expect the dead to walk the earth?



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[Arlo]

besides it's a show.  or do you really expect the dead to walk the earth?

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What part of my talking about suspending disbelief in order to enjoy a TV show actually confused you?

Oh yeah, all of it.  

P.S.

Stages of death

Pallor mortis
Algor mortis
Rigor mortis
Livor mortis
Putrefaction
Decomposition
Skeletonization

[guncrasher]

What part of my talking about suspending disbelief in order to enjoy a TV show actually confused you?

Oh yeah, all of it.  

P.S.

Stages of death
zombism
Pallor mortis
Algor mortis
Rigor mortis
Livor mortis
Putrefaction
Decomposition
Skeletonization

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edit: zombism stops or slows down all the stages of death.  zombism may start at any of the stages of death except for skeletonization as this is rare and it has only been seen in a few cases.

[gyrene81]

edit: zombism stops or slows down all the stages of death.  zombism may start at any of the stages of death except for skeletonization as this is rare and it has only been seen in a few cases.

 what?          based on what, hollyweird or someone's really good drug test?

[guncrasher]

 what?          based on what, hollyweird or someone's really good drug test?

based on the fact that most zombies in the walking dead arent skeletons.  also look at the time lapse between dawn of the dead and land of the dead.  for example in dawn of the dead (1978)  we see one of the bikers die and become a zombie, in land of the dead (2005) he  still shows up a full 27 years later with leathery skin.  this is where the walking dead gets it wrong.  if you are dead and in various stages of decomposition then you come back to life looking like that, but if you become a zombie soon after death then the zombie effect takes over and you stop decomposing.  if you want more proof, see return of the living dead.  that is a perfect example of how the zombie effect stops decomposition.

man, i hate having to do all the research for you guys.  as I said before, dont trust me look up the facts yourself.


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[Arlo]

based on the fact that most zombies in the walking dead arent skeletons.  also look at the time lapse between dawn of the dead and land of the dead.  for example in dawn of the dead (1978)  we see one of the bikers die and become a zombie, in land of the dead (2005) he  still shows up a full 27 years later with leathery skin.  this is where the walking dead gets it wrong.  if you are dead and in various stages of decomposition then you come back to life looking like that, but if you become a zombie soon after death then the zombie effect takes over and you stop decomposing.  if you want more proof, see return of the living dead.  that is a perfect example of how the zombie effect stops decomposition.

man, i hate having to do all the research for you guys.  as I said before, dont trust me look up the facts yourself.

besides it's a show.  or do you really expect the dead to walk the earth?

Thanks for 'doing the research' and whatnot. 

[gyrene81]

Thanks for 'doing the research' and whatnot. 

  dammit you ninja'd me again...good catch.            

[guncrasher]

Thanks for 'doing the research' and whatnot. 

What part of my talking about suspending disbelief in order to enjoy a TV show actually confused you?

Oh yeah, all of it. 

P.S.

Stages of death

Pallor mortis
Algor mortis
Rigor mortis
Livor mortis
Putrefaction
Decomposition
Skeletonization

you are most welcome


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[Sabre]

based on the fact that most zombies in the walking dead arent skeletons.  also look at the time lapse between dawn of the dead and land of the dead.  for example in dawn of the dead (1978)  we see one of the bikers die and become a zombie, in land of the dead (2005) he  still shows up a full 27 years later with leathery skin.  this is where the walking dead gets it wrong.  if you are dead and in various stages of decomposition then you come back to life looking like that, but if you become a zombie soon after death then the zombie effect takes over and you stop decomposing.  if you want more proof, see return of the living dead.  that is a perfect example of how the zombie effect stops decomposition.

man, i hate having to do all the research for you guys.  as I said before, dont trust me look up the facts yourself.

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In keeping in the vain of authoritative research on zombie-ism (tongue-in-cheek, of course), you can read in both "The Zombie Survival Guide" and "World War Z", by Max Brooks, that the virus involved actually makes the flesh of the undead toxic. It is toxic to all living creatures, even bacteria; hence the relatively slow rate of decomposition of the undead.  Bacteria is the primary driver of decomposition.  It is also the reason that predators that would otherwise make short work of zombies are not a threat to the living dead.  Canines (and presumably other animals) in fact can actually sense when a still-living person is infected, and hence avoid poisoning themselves by consuming the flesh of zombies.  This idea was of course completely turned about in the move, "World War Z" (which shared little else but the tittle with Brook's signature work); in the movie, it was the zombies who could sense/smell when a living creature was sick, and hence would not attack them.

[Rich46yo]

Im making a prediction. The end of the series will see two things happen for sure. Rick will die saving them all and a cure will be found and we will take back the planet.

Do remember at the end of season #1 the doctor at the CDC said how last he heard a team in France was close to a cure.

I think Merle was a trip. To bad he's gone.

[Arlo]

Im making a prediction. The end of the series will see two things happen for sure. Rick will die saving them all and a cure will be found and we will take back the planet.

Do remember at the end of season #1 the doctor at the CDC said how last he heard a team in France was close to a cure.

I think Merle was a trip. To bad he's gone.

What ... no waking up in the hospital after having been delirious for months to find his buddy Shawn sitting on one side of him and his wife and son on the other (with the radio giving a news flash about a frightening epidemic).

[guncrasher]

In keeping in the vain of authoritative research on zombie-ism (tongue-in-cheek, of course), you can read in both "The Zombie Survival Guide" and "World War Z", by Max Brooks, that the virus involved actually makes the flesh of the undead toxic. It is toxic to all living creatures, even bacteria; hence the relatively slow rate of decomposition of the undead.  Bacteria is the primary driver of decomposition.  It is also the reason that predators that would otherwise make short work of zombies are not a threat to the living dead.  Canines (and presumably other animals) in fact can actually sense when a still-living person is infected, and hence avoid poisoning themselves by consuming the flesh of zombies.  This idea was of course completely turned about in the move, "World War Z" (which shared little else but the tittle with Brook's signature work); in the movie, it was the zombies who could sense/smell when a living creature was sick, and hence would not attack them.

I dont agree with world war z.  that stuff was just made up.  I believe the ultimate authority on zombism and real representation is george romero.  everybody else is just pure fantasy.


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[Sabre]

I dont agree with world war z.  that stuff was just made up.  I believe the ultimate authority on zombism and real representation is george romero.  everybody else is just pure fantasy.

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Fair enough, Gun, but George never talked much or explained much about the virus that caused his version of zombieism.  He left it to others to fill in the details.  Next to Romero, I think Max Brooks holds the most gravitas in the zombie genre. Just my 2 cents worth.

Oh, and please don't make the mistake of thinking that the Brad Pitt movie by the same title had anything else in common with the book by Brooks.

oh, and <pssst> It's all made up. 

[guncrasher]

Fair enough, Gun, but George never talked much or explained much about the virus that caused his version of zombieism.  He left it to others to fill in the details.  Next to Romero, I think Max Brooks holds the most gravitas in the zombie genre. Just my 2 cents worth.

Oh, and please don't make the mistake of thinking that the Brad Pitt movie by the same title had anything else in common with the book by Brooks.

oh, and <pssst> It's all made up. 

radioactive contamination from a probe coming back from venus that exploded high in the atmosphere.  .


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