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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2013, 12:07:17 PM »
:rofl   :lol   :rofl   :lol  ya, "the customers" didn't want gas guzzling 300+ cid v8s and 200hp straight 6s. in 1971 the only 4 cylinder you didn't have to give away was a volkswagon beetle. and that little datsun 510 wagon wasn't capable of pulling a clown on a bicycle over rabbit ears pass without dropping down to 1st gear.
Usually you are pretty knowledgeable but you are all wet here. The year was wrong my dad told me it was a 72 . Just to keep some egg off your face let's compare it to a Camaro. My dads <as he was quick to point out to me> had twin side draft  hitachi carbs that required high octane gas produced 109 hp. It also was a product of the prince engine company. It shared a lot with Mercedes Benz especially the valve train . Your in line 6 from the Camaro sure out stripped it. With a whole additional horse . 110 to 109 in favor of Camaro. The 307 in most produced version of Camaro that year a monster 130 hp. The 510 is a favorite of rally drivers to this day , for a few years it out sold Beetles. Want to compare hp between it and mid to late 70's Camaro's ? You know the kind I used to just demolish stop light to stop light ? Shall we compare an apple to an apple now ? A US built station wagon to the 510 ? Shall we take a look at a few of the problems with Detroits business model ? Like planned obsolescence ? Shoddy quality control ? The fact they had to scrap a butt load of Camaro's that year because the bumpers did not meet federal safety standards ? Let's limit the number of flaws though please. Seen the price of homes in Detroit lately ? I am not saying that HTC has Detroit mentality. That being said the years, yes "years" long struggle I had getting a bug fixed in FFB is an indication that some of it may be there. FFB in game is a little better than rumble effects on game consoles now. Almost every one that uses FFB wants more for their $179.40 a year. FFB is looked on as a gimmick so will it be improved ? Who knows. Unbalanced sides in off peak hours is a real problem. Will it be fixed ? Who knows. As my reply stated completely disregarding your customer bases wants <as was suggested by the person I was replying to> has shown to lead to business failure in the past. Do you think that HTC will receive the same help from the feds as say GM did ?
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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2013, 01:26:10 PM »
Usually you are pretty knowledgeable but you are all wet here. The year was wrong my dad told me it was a 72 . Just to keep some egg off your face let's compare it to a Camaro. My dads <as he was quick to point out to me> had twin side draft  hitachi carbs that required high octane gas produced 109 hp. It also was a product of the prince engine company. It shared a lot with Mercedes Benz especially the valve train . Your in line 6 from the Camaro sure out stripped it. With a whole additional horse . 110 to 109 in favor of Camaro. The 307 in most produced version of Camaro that year a monster 130 hp. The 510 is a favorite of rally drivers to this day , for a few years it out sold Beetles. Want to compare hp between it and mid to late 70's Camaro's ? You know the kind I used to just demolish stop light to stop light ? Shall we compare an apple to an apple now ? A US built station wagon to the 510 ? Shall we take a look at a few of the problems with Detroits business model ? Like planned obsolescence ? Shoddy quality control ? The fact they had to scrap a butt load of Camaro's that year because the bumpers did not meet federal safety standards ? Let's limit the number of flaws though please.
i'm very familiar with 70s datsuns, as well as fords, chevys and dodges. unless your dads 510 wagon was a deluxe version, the basic standard factory L16 engine produced a whopping 97hp. the chevy 6 cylinder used in low end station wagons and some "budget" sedans, was rated at 155hp, not 110. the 1972 307 chevy chevelle motor managed a timid 200hp. if you want we can compare my ford 390 or 428 cobrajet to that puny souped up datsun 4 cylinder, for that matter i'd stack my old 350hp chevy 327 against it. fact is until 1976/77 when gas prices went above $1 a gallon which caused a lifestyle change in the u.s., gas guzzling detroit built land yachts were "what the customers wanted".

as far "planned obsolescence", that was a u.s. engineering/manufacturing standard from the late 60s, from automobiles to electronics. it was intentional and from what i was told in 1975 after asking an electrical engineer why the tubes in our expensive television blew on what appeared to be a regular interval, it was to maintain some state of economic growth. always puzzled me that if the capacity to create things that lasted until nature made them unfit for use existed, why the hell wouldn't they make stuff to last that long. i thought it was and is as ridiculous as you do.
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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2013, 06:14:59 AM »
i'm very familiar with 70s datsuns, as well as fords, chevys and dodges. unless your dads 510 wagon was a deluxe version, the basic standard factory L16 engine produced a whopping 97hp. the chevy 6 cylinder used in low end station wagons and some "budget" sedans, was rated at 155hp, not 110. the 1972 307 chevy chevelle motor managed a timid 200hp. if you want we can compare my ford 390 or 428 cobrajet to that puny souped up datsun 4 cylinder, for that matter i'd stack my old 350hp chevy 327 against it. fact is until 1976/77 when gas prices went above $1 a gallon which caused a lifestyle change in the u.s., gas guzzling detroit built land yachts were "what the customers wanted".

as far "planned obsolescence", that was a u.s. engineering/manufacturing standard from the late 60s, from automobiles to electronics. it was intentional and from what i was told in 1975 after asking an electrical engineer why the tubes in our expensive television blew on what appeared to be a regular interval, it was to maintain some state of economic growth. always puzzled me that if the capacity to create things that lasted until nature made them unfit for use existed, why the hell wouldn't they make stuff to last that long. i thought it was and is as ridiculous as you do.
Would like to see your sources for your figures on I6 GM engines for other than the Chevelle . The straight 6 that was used the most in GM products was the L22 I6 at 250 cubic inches . Everything I can find lists this at 110 hp. That is using net hp. With the side draft not top draft carb it could be no other than the deluxe 510 wagon. I am not kidding about it smoking the mid to late 70's Camaro's light to light . This was the favored car of the kids that had daddy buy them a car where I lived. My first car was a far from stock 69 Mustang fastback. It had a 390 with a Doug Nash 5 speed and a Dana rear end. I bought it from a friend of my uncles in Joplin Mo. 11 months before I turned 16. So I would not be interested in comparing big block fords

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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2013, 11:22:21 AM »
i may have been looking at the wrong 6 cyl engine model. http://www.gearheadgeek.com/ghgj/index.php/49-54-data/general-chevy-data/chevy-straight-6-data?start=3 shows the L22 was prevalent in the 78 camaro where the stroked 250cid 155hp was used in camaro years 68-79. and this shows the same stroked 250cid 155hp in the same model year camaros http://www.hotsixes.com/chevy-inline-6/. i was never a fan of the small block gm motors because they were a royal pain in the butt to track from year to year. the 327 i had was a typical example. every time i wanted to pop performance parts on it, i had to cross reference to the engine block number. i had one guy in grand junction try to tell me there was no way that my 67 camaro rs came factory with the motor. unfortunately he was the only guy in the area that had the parts i wanted. only reason i distinctly remember that is because it was the time i lost my wallet and got my donut smoked in a $50 race against a modified chevy vega. didn't know he had a modded vette drive train in the thing.

lol, did your dad know you were drag racing his 510 wagon?

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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #64 on: October 29, 2013, 03:34:42 AM »
i may have been looking at the wrong 6 cyl engine model. http://www.gearheadgeek.com/ghgj/index.php/49-54-data/general-chevy-data/chevy-straight-6-data?start=3 shows the L22 was prevalent in the 78 camaro where the stroked 250cid 155hp was used in camaro years 68-79. and this shows the same stroked 250cid 155hp in the same model year camaros http://www.hotsixes.com/chevy-inline-6/. i was never a fan of the small block gm motors because they were a royal pain in the butt to track from year to year. the 327 i had was a typical example. every time i wanted to pop performance parts on it, i had to cross reference to the engine block number. i had one guy in grand junction try to tell me there was no way that my 67 camaro rs came factory with the motor. unfortunately he was the only guy in the area that had the parts i wanted. only reason i distinctly remember that is because it was the time i lost my wallet and got my donut smoked in a $50 race against a modified chevy vega. didn't know he had a modded vette drive train in the thing.

lol, did your dad know you were drag racing his 510 wagon?




It wasn't his by then. I can assure you he never knew a thing about any racing I ever did. He made all of us kids buy our own cars, yet felt no compunction what so ever about taking them like he had bought them when he felt discipline was needed <sucks sometimes being the son of a career NCO> lol. My sister had driven it a little while then sold it to me for a years worth of lawn work. I needed something that got better gas mileage than my Mustang did. Gas was hovering around .80 a gallon then. He had moved on to one of the first Maxima's by then. One of the funniest things was me and my buddy had grabbed an old wood stove to put in his shop. We were using the 510 to take it up to his grannies place. We ran across a couple of the preppie boys that had daddy buy their cars for them. These boys loved those gutless Camaros from the late 70's. Delighted to see we were in neither my Mustang or his Charger. They were just cracking up at my cancer riddled 510 <three years on Guam will do that>. They made the usual invite to go light to light. I responded. They really started laughing.The light went green. I ran it up let her go. The shocks that had seen much better days responded as you can imagine. The tires started spinning. The wood stove slammed into the floor of the cargo area and she grabbed tight and gave a hole launch that cracked us up even before we whizzed by the momentary lead that the Camaro had.Gone in an instant was the lead he got from an automatic transmission in a car that had to be power braked to light em up. I shot ahead better than a car length. By the time his displacement was starting to get the better of my 11 year old car it was time to brake for the next set of lights.Me and my best bud were dam near crying. I thought I could laugh no harder . About that time the Camaro catches up we look over and I knew instantly I was wrong . The look on the face of those two proved beyond a doubt I could laugh much harder. The price of the 510 a years labor at something I detested. Price of gas close to .80 cents a gallon. The look on privileged youth as they get beat by an 11 year old rice burning wagon...priceless! I will tell you if you want to hear about it sometime. About a primitive form of drifting we engaged in we called slideways racing. Basically it was drifting only using Oregon logging roads instead of the streets of Tokyo . The 510 excelled at that, though it did lead to it's ultimate demise.
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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #65 on: October 29, 2013, 06:49:25 PM »
So why can't you geniuses get Hitech to buy your sales pitch for changing the time period?

Because no-one has demanded it with their wallet !   :aok


You see everyone likes the game and will still tolerate some crap they don't like. If everyone who wished it changed would xcell their sub for 2 months on the grounds of side switching times, it would change immediately ;)



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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #66 on: October 29, 2013, 08:02:17 PM »
Because no-one has demanded it with their wallet !   :aok


You see everyone likes the game and will still tolerate some crap they don't like. If everyone who wished it changed would xcell their sub for 2 months on the grounds of side switching times, it would change immediately ;)



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he quit.



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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #67 on: October 30, 2013, 04:24:42 AM »
2:23 am pacific 16 people online . No there is no frustration in this community. Guncrasher, bustr just keep up the cheering section. It will be fine .

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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #68 on: October 30, 2013, 07:02:39 AM »
2:23 am pacific 16 people online . No there is no frustration in this community. Guncrasher, bustr just keep up the cheering section. It will be fine .
:headscratch:  dude, you should be asleep. or are you trying to play at work?
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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #69 on: November 03, 2013, 01:52:21 AM »
Last I heard it went from 1 hr to 12 hours because of a certain player or players were abusing it for example certain player switching sides just to kill cv's was warned then got banned for a period ect.
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Re: I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...
« Reply #70 on: November 03, 2013, 01:41:50 AM »
:headscratch:  dude, you should be asleep. or are you trying to play at work?


this is about the time I get to play...although it isn't 2 in the morning here.....sad for me....the worst part about it though...half of them won't be in flight...and there will be ENY leveling in place    hahahah