P47 Which one as a pure fighter

[SirNuke]

With 4 guns in each wing you don't need convergence.

maybe but even with a single wing hitting extra separation will make it harder

[JUGgler]

Ehem!

The D11 should be the starting point, it is the safest JUG for someone who wants to do more than B&Z and has interest in learning how to JUGgle.

The M would be next step as it will teach you energy management (not that it holds E well) but it has the motor to recover lost E quicker than the others and it has the legs to escape trouble if need be. I always thought the M to be a hotrod, and was my choice if I knew I was going against "good" k4 fliers. It is not in the same league as the k4 but it can be a very nasty surprise for K4 drivers who take it for granted.

D25 and D40, well IMHO these 2 rides are the worst JUGS, I think the D40 edges out the D25 mainly cause the D40 retains E better (some would disagree) but it is what I've found. So if you get good in the D25, The other JUGS will come easier.

The "N", just thinking about the "N" makes me want to return!! It is the little things that matter in the closest of contests. 200 mph stock cars will benefit greatly by getting .005 mph increase with tire pressure changes over 100 miles, the N JUG is very much like this to me. The N has the most "little things" to draw from, they are subtle but put together they can be the difference between gloating and sitting in the tower   The bigger, clipped wings allow it to float very well, with rudder assist the roll rate is superb. Rudder, lets just say it IMO is second only to the corsair rudder. The energy retention of the "N"aughty Lady is the best of all JUGS, probably from the added weight which I will add does not unbalance the N, in fact I would say the N is the most balanced and dreamy JUG in the game!!
 Many think the M is the best JUG, but I always found it to be a very rigid and inflexible ride, the N offers the most options during a fight. The M always seemed to advertise its "game" in other words, most everyone knows what to expect from the M, the only difference being how well the driver does those "expected things". The N comes with a "bag of tricks"   But it requires more experience to get the most out of the N.

Years ago YUCCA flew the N and was possibly the best JUG driver at the time, he returned about 5 years ago and I was inspired to take up the JUG and try to figure out why in the hell he always flew it the way he did. Low, slow, ganged and molested. YUCCA volunteered some advice to me one day, 5 simple words that stuck!! " RUDDER RUDDER AND DON"T MISS " <-- the best advice for an aspiring JUGgler.  
He returned again about 2-3 years ago, we fought each other and flew together at times which was a massacre unless Kappa and Grizz were around but it was great fun, sadly I think that was his last hurrah!

Lastly how to tell if you are getting any good in the JUGS. Measure yourself against "GOOD" corsair drivers. The corsair does everything better than the JUG but they are similar. IF you can push a "GOOD" corsair driver to pull out all the stops and work hard at killing you, then you have arrived. Do not expect to win many encounters against equally skilled corsair drivers as the corsair is just plainly better, but they are a good measurement of your improvement!

Me in a corsair will PWN me in a JUG, but me in a JUG is a handfull indeed!!   

Go forth and JUGgle


good luck


JUGgler                          

[LCADolby]

I enjoyed the D40 and the M this month.

[JOACH1M]

M and d11 are the fighters out of the group... I don't like the n model because I always catch on fire. 

[BaldEagl]

I haven't flown them in a while but I always thought I liked the D-11 as a pure dogfighter but didn't like the birdcage canopy that much so drifted to the D-25 until one day I took up an N.  Wow!  Keep her fast and smooth and she's a killing machine.  I've tried the M but it somehow doesn't seem like a Jug and the D-40's just a bomb truck.

[Randy1]

JugLer and others.  It is interesting how much agreement there is in the P47 community on the attributes of the P47 family.  I took them all out yesterday except the 25.  Best I can tell the replies are dead on.

I could not get a handle on the D11 but in fairness, a fighter cap at the base I was at kept me from getting any E advantage.  The restricted view hurt but I think in time I could work around that with practice. 

The D40 is good at  everything although not the best at anything.

The N came out for several heavy attack missions.  Solid as a rock on bombing runs as y'all noted.  After the drops, made a good fighter too.

I took the M out on a base defense.  The rolll rate made a tree top run to pick up speed a real neat run.  That was a blast.  Took it too 15K.  I still need to not lean on the motor so much.

Thnks for the replies.  Solid information.

[LilMak]

The replies here are pretty much spot on.

The M is the difinitive fighter but only because of the raw power. It will hang on the prop longer than the rest and suprise some pilots. It also allows a jug pilot to get out of some situations where he normally would have to fight his way out.

The N is the version where most people diverge. While some people prefer it I do not. It has a Jeckl and Hide personality that is completely dependent on WEP. With available water injection, it's every bit the beast the M is. Once you run out of WEP it's the biggest turd of the bunch. 

In my opinion, the D-40 is the best all around Jug.

[mechanic]

You will not get shot down in a P47M unless you want to. Best superiority fighter in the game in my opinion.

[-ammo-]

Well, I would almost agree if one stayed at 25k all the time where it really shines, but what is the fun in that?  We should ask tonyjoey

I want to add something in response to Mechanic's post - I think the F4U-4 is probably the best "air superiority" fighter in the game, unless we add the 262 into the mix.

[Randy1]

In the Corsair line the F4u1a is my favorite, nonperked fighter.  I thought the D11 would compare favorably to the F4U1 but the D11 flew heavier than the F4U1 or 1A seems like too me.

[Wiley]

I could not get a handle on the D11 but in fairness, a fighter cap at the base I was at kept me from getting any E advantage.  The restricted view hurt but I think in time I could work around that with practice..

My preferred way of fighting in the D11 is come in high and fight your way down through the crowd.  Go after the guys that are co-alt with you looking for the pick on the crowd below, then work your way in from the edges.  It is really at its worst with an E disadvantage against twistier planes.  Dealing with faster twistier planes is where you need the familiarity with it to win, and it basically boils down to outflying the pilot, not the plane at that point.  Really the same can be said for all jugs IMO.

In the Corsair line the F4u1a is my favorite, nonperked fighter.  I thought the D11 would compare favorably to the F4U1 but the D11 flew heavier than the F4U1 or 1A seems like too me.

It doesn't turn nearly as well as the corsairs, nor does it have the hoverflaps to rely on.  Light on fuel and full on WEP, IMO the D11 fights about the same or even slightly better than the corsairs uphill.  They both really are better at fighting downhill though.  Not to say uphill can't be done, just that downhill is easier.

Wiley.

[JUGgler]

You will not get shot down in a P47M unless you want to. Best superiority fighter in the game in my opinion.

On the surface I might agree, but the added energy the N brings would be hard for the M to negate in an aggressive fight, If the M did not push aggressively the N could easily (if out motored) nose down and disengage, resetting the fight. If it did push aggressively, it would be at a disadvantage. If they merge at low alt, the M is in a lot of trouble from the outset!

I think I could defeat just about any M with the N except for the very best of players that know both exceedingly well!


<S> Batty!



JUGgler

[Saxman]

I want to add something in response to Mechanic's post - I think the F4U-4 is probably the best "air superiority" fighter in the game

Yeah, F4U-4 vs the P-47M the -4 is pretty definitively superior unless you're at very high altitudes. Below 20,000ft, the Jug-M only has a band between ~4000-10,000ft where it's faster, and the -4 outclimbs it handily at pretty much any altitude below 25,000ft. The Corsair by far has the better rudder and flaps, and should win at both high and low-speed maneuvering fights.

[LilMak]

On the surface I might agree, but the added energy the N brings would be hard for the M to negate in an aggressive fight, If the M did not push aggressively the N could easily (if out motored) nose down and disengage, resetting the fight. If it did push aggressively, it would be at a disadvantage. If they merge at low alt, the M is in a lot of trouble from the outset!

I think I could defeat just about any M with the N except for the very best of players that know both exceedingly well!


<S> Batty!



JUGgler

The N is a turd and can't compete with the M at any altitude and/or in any E situation.    

[mechanic]

On the surface I might agree, but the added energy the N brings would be hard for the M to negate in an aggressive fight, If the M did not push aggressively the N could easily (if out motored) nose down and disengage, resetting the fight. If it did push aggressively, it would be at a disadvantage. If they merge at low alt, the M is in a lot of trouble from the outset!

I think I could defeat just about any M with the N except for the very best of players that know both exceedingly well!


<S> Batty!



JUGgler

S! mate, this could be a good fight to try if you ever get back into the DA, give me a holler if you're online ever. I have to admit, my experience in the N is limited, though I do remember once being at 35k and cruising at nearly 500mph level. I prefer the M because i think it looks sexier!