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Offline Franz Von Werra

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Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« on: October 31, 2013, 02:57:03 AM »
This site says that Tiger armor was made of "nickel-steel plate" so it's mm's is of this alloy, not just steel. Please list it on the website description page and on the in-game hangar clipboard chart as "nickel-steel" please.

http://fprado.com/armorsite/tiger1.htm

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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2013, 03:14:29 AM »
if I had a nickel for every superfluous thread you posted, I would have retired by now.


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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2013, 04:08:34 AM »
The Panzerkampfwagen VI used low-carbon high-strength steel deriving its tensility and compressive strength from precipitates through the inter-metallic secondary alloying elements such as cobalt and molybdenum The primary alloying constituent being nickel between 18 to 20% by weight...

Oh wait a minute, it's Franz.

Yeah dude, like totally. They bought nickels in expecially from New York supposively because they were even harder. If you scratch a Tiger with your fingernail you can seem em just under the surface.

Tiger tanks dude, like German and Awesome!  :rock

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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2013, 06:26:45 AM »
someone didn't read the wiki in the proper context and closely enough...

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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2013, 10:23:33 AM »
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2013, 12:14:18 PM »
Steel is an alloy of iron and carbon.
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2013, 12:23:34 PM »
Steel is an alloy and can contain nickel, which is commonly found in stainless steels.

The term 'steel' encompasses many different alloys.
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 12:33:57 PM »

The term 'steel' encompasses many different alloys.

That's what I meant. Saying steel alloy is like saying wood lumber.
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2013, 12:53:34 PM »
That's what I meant. Saying steel alloy is like saying wood lumber.
it could still be alloy steel...  :devil

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1.   Any steel containing a notable quantity of some other metal alloyed with the iron, usually chromium, nickel, manganese, tungsten, or vanadium.
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2013, 02:01:54 PM »
Lumber wood?

Now that I think of it there is plastic lumber and wood composite, and there used tobe plastic wood in a can.

Alloy wood, steel lumber.
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2013, 02:19:26 PM »
Lumber wood?

Now that I think of it there is plastic lumber and wood composite, and there used tobe plastic wood in a can.

Alloy wood, steel lumber.

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Offline Franz Von Werra

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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2013, 03:55:42 PM »
Quick, somebody, hold him down. Sedative. He's losing it.  ;)  :cheers:
I'm either hypoeutectic or hypereutectic? (chemically imbalanced to one side or the other)  :huh

Per Wikipedia, Steel IS IRON with between 0.002 and 2.1% carbon by Weight.
Lumber wood: Steel is an alloy of Iron and a tiny but important bit of Carbon, but steel with Nickel make an even better alloy, at least for Brinell hardness.
Like THREE different metals ALLOY instead of just TWO like steel.

The Periodic Table would show that Iron atoms are BIG, and that Carbon Atoms are small...
Iron (Fe for ferrous) atoms LARGE like beachballs
Carbon (C for Carbon) atoms are SMALL like marbles.
Steel is like a room full of beachballs with marbles inbetween; like 1 marble at the gap between 8 beachballs at the corner of a box.

Eutectic point:
Example:
You throw some chunks of Iron and some chunks of Nickel into a large pot (a crucible) and you turn up the heat, eventually the two melt together.
If you put too much Iron, you will have clumps of Iron.
If you put too much Nickel, you will have clumps of Nickel.
If you have JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF EACH, then there will be no clumps and you will be at the "Eutectic Point" for the two metals.
Also, this new 'alloy' that you have will have the lowest melting point of either of the two separately, be aware of not heating it past the eutectic melting point or lose the eutectic point.

A phase diagram for a fictitious binary chemical mixture (with the two components denoted by A and B) used to depict the eutectic composition, temperature, and point. (L denotes the liquid state.)

Brinell Hardness:
Brinell hardness test goes like this: INDEPENDENT OF THICKNESS BY THE WAY!!!
You put your piece of metal on table, you drop the 'official tester thingy' that has a very hard point from the 'official tester height' above the metal. That point hits the metal and makes a dent.
The dent WIDTH is measured...  and you then the equation and you get 'brinell hardness.'


THE SOURCE:
I AM UNABLE TO COPY-PASTE FROM DAM SITE... TYPING: from www.fprado.com
"The rolled homogeneous nickel-steel plate, electro-welded interlocking-plate construction armor had a Brinell hardness index of around 255-280 (the best homogeneous armor hardness level for corresponding thickness level of the Tiger's armor by WW II standards); and rigorous quality control procedures ensured that it stayed that way. About this issue, and according to Thomas L. Jentz, "there is no proof that substandard german armour plate was used during the last years of the war. All original documents confirm compliance with standard specifications throughout the war" (JENTZ, Thomas L. Germany's TIGER Tanks, VK45.02 to Tiger II: Design Production & Modifications).
I haven't resourced but I think that only TIGER I's were made with Nickel Steel, Tiger II's may have only had Steel. NOT SURE.

Summary:
Tiger Nickel-Steel hardness: 255-280 HB(?) from JENTZ
Mild steel hardness: 120 HB from WIKIPEDIA
Stainless Steel: 200 HB from WIKIPEDIA

Not sure what the HB for specific tank types were... anyways.
Some other dam game(s) obviously thinks the THICKNESS was the ONLY IMPORTANT MEASUREMENT.
I hope that OUR Tiger tanks have Brinell Hardness included... I'm not a 'tanker'...
I'm just requesting that the tank info chart on our 'clipboard' SHOWS that it was made of NICKEL-STEEL, not only steel

Nickel-Steel is bettah!

knock yee selves out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutectic_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinell_scale
http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/~paulmont/CE60New/alloys_steel.pdf

Also about electro welded slats that Tigers were made of, ALSO, meant less little pieces of metal breaking off and bouncing around inside thereby killing crews like in other dam game(s).
See, no rivets!:

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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2013, 04:09:03 PM »
Brinell Hardness:
You put your piece of metal on table, you drop the 'official tester thingy' that has a very hard point from the 'official tester height' above the metal.

You don't drop the 'official tester thingy', you press it in with a big press. Or get Chuck Norris to push it in with his thumb.


Nickel-Steel is bettah!

Oh I see the angle, he wants to make sure the quality is modeled not just the thickness.  :old:


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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2013, 04:12:50 PM »
Also about electro welded slats that Tigers were made of, ALSO, meant less little pieces of metal breaking off and bouncing around inside thereby killing crews like in other dam game(s).
See, no rivets!:
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That is a tank made from LEGO bricks. Of course there are no rivets.

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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2013, 04:25:18 PM »
Is... is he trying to troll, or is this some kind of disorder akin to Tourette's?  Schlowy genuinely confuses me.

There is actually a grain of a point in this... whatever this is.  Are different materials modeled in the game, or is steel steel?  If not, it would be kind of cool, I guess, to have the different materials used on the tanks modeled.

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