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Offline bustr

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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2013, 04:59:29 PM »
This site says that Tiger armor was made of "nickel-steel plate" so it's mm's is of this alloy, not just steel. Please list it on the website description page and on the in-game hangar clipboard chart as "nickel-steel" please.
http://fprado.com/armorsite/tiger1.htm

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I feel for Franz in this case because he wants a cosmetic update to something in the game. Not an update to the value Hitech has assigned to the tiger's armor plates. Getting Hitech to change the coding value is probably easier if Franz were to show up out of the blue with something like the original blue prints and range test destruct data for all of the armor plate used on the tiger.

As is, I've never gotten HTC to revisit problems with gunsights. So changing that text may receive the same deaf response. At least the GV community is happy with the armor values Hitech has assigned to the tiger.
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2013, 05:03:36 PM »
I don't know squat about tank armor, but Legos are 105 Rockwell hardness if that helps.
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2013, 07:03:59 PM »
     Since when does spalling require rivets? 
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2013, 08:38:03 PM »
     Since when does spalling require rivets? 

Probably when Herr Franz got his hands on it.
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2013, 11:16:17 PM »
My Tiger's don't have nickle alloy in them but I wear my tinfoil helmet to compensate.
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2013, 08:24:45 AM »
My Tiger's don't have nickle alloy in them but I wear my tinfoil helmet to compensate.
how many nickels worth of tin foil do you use?  :D
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2013, 08:48:17 AM »
My Tiger's don't have nickle alloy in them but I wear my tinfoil helmet to compensate.

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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2013, 09:17:39 AM »
+1  this is an interesting point...but as the german industry was starving for certain raw materials later in the war...armour also suffered. i have seen pictures of panthers and very late tigers that show damage from enemy tanks and anti tank guns to be a chunking effect on the late armour.normally there would be a mark on the armour where the round hit dug in a bit and then bounced off, instead what was happening at the end of the war was a round would hit,break a large chunk out and bounce off leaving fractures in the hit area as well. as noted by  british,american and russians after the war during target practice on german tanks used for evaluation.   wheather you like von wera's post or not, it absolutely is correct and has merits.  i guess we mock what we dont understand or what doesnt fit into our world the way we want it to. :aok

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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2013, 09:27:46 AM »
+1  this is an interesting point...but as the german industry was starving for certain raw materials later in the war...armour also suffered. i have seen pictures of panthers and very late tigers that show damage from enemy tanks and anti tank guns to be a chunking effect on the late armour.normally there would be a mark on the armour where the round hit dug in a bit and then bounced off, instead what was happening at the end of the war was a round would hit,break a large chunk out and bounce off leaving fractures in the hit area as well. as noted by  british,american and russians after the war during target practice on german tanks used for evaluation.   wheather you like von wera's post or not, it absolutely is correct and has merits.  i guess we mock what we dont understand or what doesnt fit into our world the way we want it to. :aok
no, actually we mock the need for the unnecessary. in this case, considering the links on the wiki (that anyone with a working brain could click on) which do include the full information on the type of metal used in the construction of the tiger the request is an unnecessary superflous bit of nonsense which the op is renowned for.

perhaps since you feel so strongly about the perceived need, you could edit said wiki personally and include not only the specifics on the makeup of the alloy steel used in the construction, but also the additional facts including the lack of materials later in the war and the effects that said shortages had on the armor.
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2013, 10:03:59 AM »
wasn't it the lack of manganese that reduced the quality of german tank armor late in the war?

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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2013, 05:53:51 AM »
+1  this is an interesting point...but as the german industry was starving for certain raw materials later in the war...armour also suffered. i have seen pictures of panthers and very late tigers that show damage from enemy tanks and anti tank guns to be a chunking effect on the late armour.normally there would be a mark on the armour where the round hit dug in a bit and then bounced off, instead what was happening at the end of the war was a round would hit,break a large chunk out and bounce off leaving fractures in the hit area as well. as noted by  british,american and russians after the war during target practice on german tanks used for evaluation.   wheather you like von wera's post or not, it absolutely is correct and has merits.  i guess we mock what we dont understand or what doesnt fit into our world the way we want it to. :aok

It has no merit at all.  The term "steel" is a generic name for many different alloys, which all have a similar (not exact) basis to start with.  It is not incorrect to refer to any of them as "steel".

pembquist was close.  Wood is a classification or material, just like steel is.

I can say we have wood floors in our house and be quite correct, even though they are actually comprised of engineered wood, white oak, and red oak.  Yes, even within the categories of wood are sub classes.

Just like steel.  Carbon steel, low carbon steel, high carbon steel, chromium steel, stainless steel (an a dozen variants of that) are all correctly called "steel".
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2013, 06:05:30 AM »
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Re: Tiger armor, PROPERLY labeled please!
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2013, 08:16:53 AM »
"In late Autumn, following the rut, the Skuzzy often becomes irritable, before retiring to its den to hibernate for the winter..."

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