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Offline Wildcatdad

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« on: November 03, 2013, 04:39:45 PM »
Alright, I want your guys' input on this: What plane do you find has the best gunset for

1. Destroying bombers
2.Destroying GV's
3.Taking out fighters
4.De-acking/defueling bases

 And what plane do you think has the best defensive armament? :salute
Okay,based on performance also for the first 4
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2013, 04:48:08 PM »
Alright, I want your guys' input on this: What plane do you find has the best gunset for

1. Destroying bombers
Me262 followed by Me410 followed by Bf110G-2.
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2.Destroying GV's
Il-2 followed by Ju87G-2 followed by B-25H.
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3.Taking out fighters
Mosquito Mk VI followed by F4U-1C followed by Tempest Mk V.
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4.De-acking/defueling bases
De-acking: B-25H followed by Mosquito Mk VI followed by F4U-1C.
De-fueling: Me262 followed by Me410 followed by Bf110G-2.
 
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And what plane do you think has the best defensive armament? :salute
B-29A followed by B-17G followed by B-24J.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2013, 04:53:12 PM »
Alright, I want your guys' input on this: What plane do you find has the best gunset for

1. Destroying bombers
2.Destroying GV's
3.Taking out fighters
4.De-acking/defueling bases

 And what plane do you think has the best defensive armament? :salute

1. If we are only talking about the guns: Me 410.
2. Il-2
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2013, 04:59:23 PM »
yeah what they said. Nevermind my suggestion of 8 .50 cals  :lol
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2013, 08:27:03 PM »
Considering performance:

1: Me262
2: Il-2
3: Tempest Mk V
4: F4U-1C
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2013, 10:13:51 PM »
Alright, I want your guys' input on this: What plane do you find has the best gunset for

1. Destroying bombers 262 or f4uc
2.Destroying GV's il-2 or Stuka with 37s
3.Taking out fighters 109k or la7
4.De-acking/defueling bases p47-40 or the 38L

 And what plane do you think has the best defensive armament? :salute
Okay,based on performance also for the first 4
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2013, 08:38:59 AM »
"Best bomber killer" in terms of guns only???  Easy.  That would be the Me410 on TWO accounts. 

First, the Me410's 50mm cannon truly is a 1 hit marvel.  Once it connects with a bomber there is no question the bomber is going down.

Second, the Me410's dual 30mm delivers monstrous hitting power, at a high rate of fire, and at a very usable trajectory.  Remember, the 30mm's on the Me410 are NOT the same as on the 262, 110, 190, or 109. The Me410's 30mm's are the Mk 103 30mmX184 and not the typical 30mmX90 most everyone has a love/hate relationship with found on the other German fighters.  The Me410 when armed with the 30mm's is almost as deadly as the 50mm, the rate of fire is much higher and there are 6+ rounds hitting the target for every 1 round of 50mm.  It depends on the pilot and technique used.  The Me410's Mk 103 30mm's are much easier to use, they have a trajectory far more similar to the 20mm's than the Mk 108 30mm's.  Try them and enjoy!

Third, I think it is hard to beat any quad 20mm armed fighter in terms of shooting down a bomber.  Sure, the Mk 108 30mm found on many of the German aircraft offer massive hitting power, but they are not the easiest to gauge in terms of trajectory.  I'll take the quad 20mmon the Fw190A-8 on most occasions.  Oh, and don't forget the Tempest, Typhoon, F4U-1C, or even the Sea Hurricane or Hurricane IIC.

Vs tanks I believe the IL-2 has the advantage for one simple reason: ammo capacity.  However, I think much like the "bomber killer" scenario there is more to think about than just 1 thing.  The IL-2 ranks at the bottom in a couple of very important categories for me.  The Hurri IID is faster, climbs better, rolls better, and has a far better view of the battlefield than the IL-2.  The Stuka offers nothing more than the IL-2 other than a better view of the battlefield.  However, it is far more gratifying to land kills in the Hurri IID and Stuka G-2 than the IL-2 as well.   :aok  The guns are all very similar.  The IL-2 does seem to take a back seat in accuracy, too.  But with 50 rounds per gun it doesn't matter.  It is the ammo amount that really only separates them, the AP ability of each seems to be very similar.

For killing ack, keep it mind all it take is a single CANNON round in or near the auto ack/manned ack and the job is done.  Anything AP needs a direct hit and that includes the US fighters with .50 cals.  I can de-ack a small airfield using less than 20 rounds of 20mm from a 109.  One shot per gun emplacement.  Aircraft armed with the 37mm can do it as well, but they have far less ammo and a worse trajectory. 

Bomber defensive armament? The B29 hands down.  Then the B24 (more guns active more often than the B17), then the B17, then the B26.  The G4M would be good as well, its rear 20mm is nice but I don't use it enough to be efficient with it.       
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2013, 09:08:07 AM »
1.(Technique) I kill bombers with four 50 Cal's all the time.
2.Bombs (But now your a bomb tard)  :neener:
3.(Good aim) Anything with good aim and proper shooting distance will work.
4.Amount and size.(many good choices in the game)

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2013, 09:12:45 AM »
I always thought the 190A8 had a nice rack of guns with 2 30mm 2 20mm and some 50 cals, as far as the fighter planes are concerned. The Mosquito and the 110 are also nice to do some nasty damage to wirlbles/ostwinds ect. The thing about the 410 is you will mostly die before you get to your target. The me262 cost lots of money, and I wouldnt dare fly that thing close to a wirble/ostwind. The IL-2 is always a good tank buster too.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2013, 09:52:01 AM »
I'll take the quad 20mmon the Fw190A-8 on most occasions.
The Hispano is superior due to ballistics and the Mossie's are centerline, hence the Mossie having the best anti-fighter gun package.  Taking performance into account moves it to the Tempest.
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2013, 10:34:49 AM »
The Hispano is superior due to ballistics and the Mossie's are centerline, hence the Mossie having the best anti-fighter gun package.  Taking performance into account moves it to the Tempest.
but I'll add that the moment anyone sees a mossie they are all over it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2013, 11:01:37 AM »
but I'll add that the moment anyone sees a mossie they are all over it.
Yeah, but the OP didn't qualify it with any performance consideration initially.  Once he did I changed it to the Tempest.

That said, the Mossie maintains a respectable K/D ratio.
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2013, 01:25:00 PM »


1) Depends a bit on altitude, but: 262, 190A-8, Me 410
2) Ju-87G-2, Il-2, B-25H
3) Tempest, La-7, 109K
4) F4U-1C, 190F-8, Mossie VI
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2013, 01:28:14 PM »

1) Depends a bit on altitude,


How so?
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2013, 01:40:29 PM »

How so?

Handling, which I would consider to be a facet of a plane's performance. And at high altitude, I feel the A-8's handling suffers to such a degree that it offsets it's engine performance advantage over the 410.
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