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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2013, 10:46:18 AM »
Looked good in the news but India has no reason to go to mars. That was a test of an ICBM system or a new spy satellite put into orbit disguised as space exploration.
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2013, 10:56:07 AM »
They won't need to track them. Unlike back in the space race days, today the resulting orbit of every piece of equipment is calculated beforehand. Only an accident up there is going to create significant debris that we don't know the orbit of.

Abjectly inaccurate, G.  The United States spends a lot of money and resources constantly tracking and cataloging objects in Earth orbit.  That's because there are many factors that work to subtly alter an object's orbit vector over time, and even the best computer models can't cope with them all.  Even in geosynchronous orbit, where near-Earth effects like atmospheric drag are minimal, there's enough other influences that affect the orbit that predictions devolve into little more than rough guesses, over time.  Not to mention the errors that result from the ride into space itself.  You're talking about trying to place objects the size of a sedan or even a bus into a precise location hundreds, thousands, or ten-thousands of miles away, with a precise velocity vector, using several hundred thousands of pounds of force.  This, where even a tiny percent difference in actual burn duration and/or thrust can result in being off the mark by a hundred kilometers or more in position and many kph in velocity.  Plus, some objects are so small that they can not be tracked with any certainty.  Even when they can be tracked by terrestrial sensors, the position accuracy can be off by differences measured in kilometers.  Finally, while the nation launching an object into space may know with some degree of certainty where they intended to send it, this information is not always shared with the international community.  
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2013, 11:07:01 AM »
Looked good in the news but India has no reason to go to mars. That was a test of an ICBM system or a new spy satellite put into orbit disguised as space exploration.

When has it been otherwise? Every space program (including the USA's and Soviet's) evolved as an off-shoot of a weapons development program (most advances in aviation, too).  However, by the same token a lot of beneficial things came out of these programs, and it makes sense for a major power pursuing an independent capability to access interplanetary space.  Even if it's been done before by others, if your country wishes to be a major player in the future, you've to to develop and demonstrate the necessary skills to do the intermediate steps.  If you're a developing country that wishes to build an air force, you do so in the manner Israel did.  You initially procure modern combat aircraft from other countries, learn from them, begin by first modifying them, then eventually learn how to build your own (starting with more basic aircraft, before trying to build a 5th gen, multi-role fighter).
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2013, 11:18:05 AM »
Looked good in the news but India has no reason to go to mars. That was a test of an ICBM system or a new spy satellite put into orbit disguised as space exploration.

Poor Martians, they'll never know what hit them!


India has been launching things into orbit for more than 30 years...
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2013, 11:18:53 AM »
India has been launching things into orbit for more than 30 years...
i've been wondering what they do with all their garbage...
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2013, 11:35:31 AM »
Does this mean there will be a quick stop there when we send a manned mission?   :bolt:

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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2013, 12:12:16 PM »
You've not met Danny in person have you.



No. Why do you ask?
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2013, 12:39:04 PM »
Does this mean there will be a quick stop there when we send a manned mission?   :bolt:
Should have seen that one coming. :rofl
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2013, 01:07:58 PM »
Does this mean there will be a quick stop there when we send a manned mission?   :bolt:
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2013, 03:24:26 PM »
India will get a lot of research into communication systems out of this. The mission costs India $72 million, so it cost each Indian $0.05.
Technically correct, but its a common error in the way of thinking. The money was spent in india, so it cycled back into the economy. Especially since this is thinking money and not a lot of wasted raw materials, almost 100% of it comes back to the public. Along the way, technology advanced and people were trained, which will now contribute in other branches of the economy. You  take tax from the people and pay it back to them, but gained something extra along the way - it is almost like magic.

Investments in "pointless" science tend to repay themselves handsomely, but sometimes in unexpected ways. Economists and bureaucrats often hate that because they cannot properly figure this into their calculations and accounting.
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2013, 05:41:14 PM »
When I was in NDE school (nondestructive examination), one of my instructors was an Indian PhD who helped develop maneuvering thrusters for India's space program in 1972.
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2013, 07:44:51 PM »
Anybody ever heard of Kerbal Space Program? No?
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2013, 07:45:47 PM »
Does this mean there will be a quick stop there when we send a manned mission?   :bolt:
A manned mission?  :rofl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiCDQ_91Pks
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2013, 01:14:50 AM »
Anybody ever heard of Kerbal Space Program? No?
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Re: India launches first mission to Mars.
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2013, 01:40:08 AM »
Technically correct, but its a common error in the way of thinking. The money was spent in india, so it cycled back into the economy. Especially since this is thinking money and not a lot of wasted raw materials, almost 100% of it comes back to the public. Along the way, technology advanced and people were trained, which will now contribute in other branches of the economy. You  take tax from the people and pay it back to them, but gained something extra along the way - it is almost like magic.

Investments in "pointless" science tend to repay themselves handsomely, but sometimes in unexpected ways. Economists and bureaucrats often hate that because they cannot properly figure this into their calculations and accounting.

It's not magic. but it is something we cannot discuss further on this bbs.
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