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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2013, 06:47:05 PM »
I have gun's to hunt . I have to have food . I don't like buying meat that no telling what has been fed to it and making some CEO rich while he is setting on a cruse ship that he owns . That's why I have gun's . Oh and if someone want's to take my stuff is another reason .

on the other hand you eat meat that you have no idea it has fed upon.  you cant tell if it's been sick or carrying some disease.

your reasoning sounds funny to me.  then again, I do wish I could hunt my own meat but I have no delusions that what I kill is better than what I buy at the supermarket.


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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2013, 06:50:57 PM »
on the other hand you eat meat that you have no idea it has fed upon.  you cant tell if it's been sick or carrying some disease.

your reasoning sounds funny to me.  then again, I do wish I could hunt my own meat but I have no delusions that what I kill is better than what I buy at the supermarket.


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Hehe, one of my best friends spent an eternity working slaughter houses.  He was deeply into the "meat industry". 

He has no delusions that what he gets at the supermarket is as good as what he gets out of the woods.

And yes, you do have an idea if it's sick or diseased.  A much better idea than you could ever hope to have with supermarket meat.
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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2013, 06:57:16 PM »
One that has hunted deer for 50 year's like me can tell if a deer is sick or not plus you can look at there teeth and tong and tell .
On the ( Guns do only one thing, kill. thing ) I shot trap for 6 year's in a row every weekend around 500 round's eack weekend that I had to reload . Could not buy what I was shooting in a store . That's a lot of killing clay .
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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2013, 07:13:15 PM »
Take a hike hippy. We'll fight for your right to smoke dope and hug a tree. We got dis!
I am from a military family. My father is a Naval Academy graduate, a Vietnam war veteran, an American hero. I just stated my pov, I insulted no one as you have chosen to do.
I'm not a hippy. I'm just not an animal. I do not need to increase my ball size with the illusion of weapons. I was here at ground zero, 911, working. I went to work every day after, I did not run from my home as some. I work, pay taxes and will defend my shores if required.

"If" you have served, I ty for your service. But I will never roll over for your attitude or blind behavior. The military works for its citizens, not the other way around. Service in the military gives no one any more rights than any one else. I am afraid of no one on this planet, you appear to be scared of something.

We are a farming culture, meat as well as fish and plants. Any man has the right to feed himself and his family. However, the landscape can no longer support all of us hunting game. Why do you think farming is done, its support more people per acre.
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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2013, 07:36:44 PM »
Well I live in Mississippi and The Mississippi Department of Wildlife and Fishers estimates that 1.5 million deer live inside our state boundaries.  Only Texas and Michigan support more deer than Mississippi. I think that last me a few year's .
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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2013, 07:47:42 PM »
One that has hunted deer for 50 year's like me can tell if a deer is sick or not plus you can look at there teeth and tong and tell .
On the ( Guns do only one thing, kill. thing ) I shot trap for 6 year's in a row every weekend around 500 round's eack weekend that I had to reload . Could not buy what I was shooting in a store . That's a lot of killing clay .

I can smell the beef and see if it's spoiled or not.


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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2013, 07:53:49 PM »
I can smell the beef and see if it's spoiled or not.


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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2013, 08:10:40 PM »
I can smell the beef and see if it's spoiled or not.
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You sure can, just like you can with wild game.

Of course, that still won't tell you what that cow was eating or how healthy it was.  Spoilage has much more to do with how the meat was treated / cared for post mortum than with the health of the animal.

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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2013, 08:43:54 PM »
You sure can, just like you can with wild game.

Of course, that still won't tell you what that cow was eating or how healthy it was.  Spoilage has much more to do with how the meat was treated / cared for post mortum than with the health of the animal.



you still cant tell what you killed ate.  perhaps he just ate some grass where the last batch of ddt was thrown out and you killed it right before it was supposed to die.

I am not saying you are wrong and I am right.  just saying we cant really tell for sure what whichever you killed or got butchered really ate.  or which bug was feeding on it or if it carries some disease that just doesnt show yet.


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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2013, 09:16:49 PM »
you still cant tell what you killed ate.  perhaps he just ate some grass where the last batch of ddt was thrown out and you killed it right before it was supposed to die.

I am not saying you are wrong and I am right.  just saying we cant really tell for sure what whichever you killed or got butchered really ate.  or which bug was feeding on it or if it carries some disease that just doesnt show yet.


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Well truthfully, an animal in the wild doesn't generally live long at all if it's carrying disease.  You'd probably have a real rough time going out and finding a sick animal, let alone accidentally shooting one. 

It's quite different in captivity.  We pump our animals full of all sorts of stuff to keep them on their feet.  We have to, because we crowd them into unhealthily-crowded groups, let them (er, force them to) wade through ankle-deep filth, and often feed them less-than-great feed. 

They don't necessarily need to be "healthy" to make it onto your dinner table; just "healthy enough".  How much meat does your average USDA inspector reject?

One of my first post-college jobs was working a feed mill in the middle of farmland Wisconsin.  I drove a shovel-veyor out to the farms, picked up dried corn (about 6 tons per truckload), and drove it back to the mill where I ground it and mixed it into feed.  I often drove the finished feed back to the farms as well.  Talk about disgusting...  Moldy corn, moldy oats, rats in the corn (which also went into the grinder occasionally), you name it. 

While I KNOW what the farm animals were eating, I can't say I'm really comforted by that.  I saw dead calves tossed over to the door of the barn, where they lay for weeks in the sweltering summer heat, just feet from where the "healthy" cows were fed.  I saw fully-grown dead cows pushed just outside the barn door, and I had to literally step around them as I carried bags of feed and mineral mix into the barns.  I got to witness the relatively fresh dead animal first bloat, then pop/deflate, and liquify over the several weeks it took them to decay in the sun, and again, this was just a few feet from the healthy animals.  Of course, there are services to pick those animals up, (or the farmer can handle it himself) but trust me, they're not always taken care of right away...  The flies are crawling over the carcass, and then flying over to walk on the animal feed or the other animals themselves, or on me...

I've also spent some time in the feed lots...

The meat industry is just that, an industry. They're producing meat like a factory.

Of course, there are many farmers/ranchers who do very well at running healthy operations...  But there are others who just barely get by (legally as well as financially).

I'll take my chances with the wild game over the supermarket offerings any day, although I do a fair amount of grocery store foraging as well...

The wild animal might have just eaten something a little nasty, but it wasn't forced to do it repeatedly over a period of months!
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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2013, 09:18:22 PM »
on the other hand you eat meat that you have no idea it has fed upon.  you cant tell if it's been sick or carrying some disease.

your reasoning sounds funny to me.  then again, I do wish I could hunt my own meat but I have no delusions that what I kill is better than what I buy at the supermarket.


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Hunting advice from the ignorant :rofl  Be sure to get your Monsanto GMO corn next time you're at the grocery store. :aok

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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2013, 09:43:29 PM »
Hunting advice from the ignorant :rofl  Be sure to get your Monsanto GMO corn next time you're at the grocery store. :aok

in other words you cant come up with a good response like mtman so you decide to make it a personal attack instead.   :salute




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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2013, 09:58:27 PM »
in other words you cant come up with a good response like mtman so you decide to make it a personal attack instead.   :salute




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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2013, 10:02:10 PM »
What ever Capt High Road. You going to get drunk and talk about peoples wives on 200 tonight?

dude if I have offended you or your wife in the past then I apologize.  I have no idea what you are talking about but I do joke around on 200 as that is the best part of ah for many of us.  if I have ever said anything about your wife that offended you then I am sorry.

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Re: Long live the USA (guns)
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2013, 11:15:34 PM »
Guns do only one thing, kill.

Funny... I have a whole safe full of handguns, rifles and shotguns (and a recurve bow).  Combined they have shot tens of thousands (maybe more, who's counting) of rounds, and never has any of them been used to kill any living thing.

Firearms were invented as weapons meant to kill of course, but that does not mean they cannot also be sport.  Are you aware that there are several Olympic events using firearms?  Ever heard of 3 Gun Nation, IPSC or USPSA?  In fact many sporting events owe their genesis to weapons and/or combat.  How about some other Olympic events like archery, javelin or fencing.  Ever wonder what the original purpose of a bow and arrow, fencing rapier, or javelin was before it became sport?  Or how about sports like baseball and cricket, the bats that they use are just refined versions of primitive clubs...  clubs which where used as weapons millenia ago.  What about boxing, wrestling or MMA, aren't they just a refined 'sporting' version of hand to hand combat?

I own guns for 2 reason, 1st: they are the best option I have for defense against criminals, thugs and tyrants, 2nd: they are a LOT of fun.  Hunting is another very good reason, I just don't do it personally... yet.



Go to a range sometime, and you might find that you too enjoy the sport of shooting.  :aok  I once managed to talk a girl I dated into going shooting once, she was much like you, she had been raised to loathe guns and gun owners, taught that they where nothing but evil killing machines, believed in massive gun control to the point of repealing the 2nd amendment.  We did a little skeet shooting, then some pistols, then some long range rifle, and while afterwards she tried valiantly to downplay it, while we were actually shooting, I caught her many times with a huge grin on her face, and she did admit it was 'fun'.

Of course sporting has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment, and I would love to dissect the rest of your argument, but any discussion of that here will get this locked.
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