Rook Lancs playing hide and seek out of map

[Wardog]

Hmmm..

Well, i gota agree with tshrd. Anyone in any country can see off map raid coming about an hour before they get to there target. Just pay attention to map and its easy to figure out large raids.

I think the whole map needs 1 more sector added to it all the way around, but since we are working with what we have.. WTG Rooks..

Adapt, overcome and adjust!! Do what you have to and get the job done.

If these guys wana spend 1 hour grabin to alt and stearing off map, let em. I suggest that all countries pay attention to large buildups in any sector, and when they disappear, ya know a raid is OTW..

Dog out...........

[Pepe]

I said I hate OTMF. I think it is a trick. Having said that, it is amazing how people here see the straw in the other's eye.

Stop crying about sportmanship, unfairness, dweebery, etc. and fly, you sissy girls. When two countries both doubling numbers on the third, agree to attack the understaffed one, little is left, but being on the continuous vulching fest, to the small country. An then I have to hear something very close to a witch hunt because 7 guys (actually 50% of available forces) played a trick. Amazingly, your country could divert, (how much, 5,6 7 guys) and still have numbers to keep on vulching.

Is it so hard to understand that, precisely when the raid happened, Rooklad were fighting the Knit fron 30 vs. 7?.

Now I've been flying for Rookland since I was in, as my whole Squad. I find more honourable doing this trick than leaving Rookland (as it easy to see it's happened) because we are badly outnumbered night after night this tour. So how many of the hypocrites crying out loud shame list, dweeb hunt, etc. has left rookland this tour? How many of you didn't see same thing happening and didn't say a word?

Ohhh yes, brag and brag how you master fliers killed the deadly attack to your homeland, cry and cry how you master fliers manage to down a buff horde comprising 7 (half of the enemy forces), repeat and repeat you master fliers how you didn't even think on commiting a crime like that... heh! master fliers...haha...well, maybe, master fliers. For me you are just that. Flies.

It is easy to see what kind of fight you do like. Cheap shots & advantages. Even in this BBS. Geez, I could care less!.

 
Pepe

[Staga]

 

Originally posted by Pepe:
...It is easy to see what kind of fight you do like. Cheap shots & advantages....
Pepe

Just read that part of your post again and think about it. Those guys tried to achieve an advantage over Knights by flying out of map and propably thinking they could destroy city and HQ. From my pow that looks just like you said "a cheap shot etc...".

Games like AH will always have a way how to play "dirty game".
Issue is is it acceptable to use those bugs to get your enemy to his knees or should we promote "FairPlay" in AH?

Simple question but think twice before answering  

[straffo]

 

Originally posted by Staga:

Games like AH will always have a way how to play "dirty game".
Issue is is it acceptable to use those bugs to get your enemy to his knees or should we promote "FairPlay" in AH?

What is dirty for me is the fact that I've to jump in a G10 to intercept this kind of player  
I've lot of trouble wearing the standard leather underpant of the luftwobble   it hurt my butt  

IMO if it can be done it's a valid technique ,perhaps not the most smart but at least it's legal (not against the TOS).

[ElLobo]

Aces High is a WAR game. In a WAR you use any advantage you can to kill the enemy, before he kills you. As long as you're not hacking the gamecode you are playing fair! Everyone has their limits, I don't shoot chutes, some do. If they get a kick out of it so be it. The game is more realistic, when there is a certain leval of deception and subterfuge. Off the Map! Under Dar! ALLS FAIR!  

[This message has been edited by ElLobo (edited 03-09-2001).]

[Pepe]

Staga,

I usually think twice before posting. And thanks for putting the question in a simple way  

I really dislike playing dirty tricks in ANY game. I stated this black over white. I posted in some other thread that I flew once off the map, back in 1.03 or something, and I did not like it. I promote "Fair Play".

Those guys had THAT ONLY WAY to try to hit your country, as you probably know. They tried to counter your numbers and alt advantage with the only available measure at that point. Is that a trick? Yes. Is understandable? Hell, yes. I do not know If you have ever been in that situation, limited to 2 fields and vulched to your bones by a horde of alt and numbers opportunists  , but I guarantee that It is VERY frustrating. And is an ongoing situation. This tour is "Rookland unter alles" permanently.

Games are most fun when everybody sticks to the rules. The written ones and the unwritten ones. But If some country numbers are abusing, and that country press hard enough, I would expect this kind of behaviour, and I would understand it. Besides that, If my country is in yours or bish's situation, neither the stress nor the effect of losing Radar can be compared to Rooks this tour. This is not a whine. I am not whineing, since, as Ripsnort say, it's our turn in the bucket. Just stating out that, being the trick that it is, Off-The-Map-Flying is the only way to act sometimes. And your post only show one side of the matter. Bish and Knit numbers make us Rook act this way, this tour.

Just curious here, how would bring your enemies to their knees being 30ish+30ish vs. 10ish? Please let me know. Rookland is in dire need of that information.  

With regards to your question, I must be even dumber than usual, because I do not know how to answer until I know what do you mean by "FairPlay". Hehehe, you should put that question even simpler.  

Cheers,

Pepe

[Staga]

Pepe all countries have been in a situation where other two countries have twice as many players as yours. Last evening after reset both Rooks and Bishes attacked Knights very hard. I checked map and didn't see any good action in those countries borders in half hour when they were rushing against Knightland. Our Western front keeped its fields but in East we lost base after base (We lost 4 or 5 fields in couple hours).

But we stayed in map and fought like good Knight should do   (Big <S> to those Knights!)
(at least I didn't saw or hear that anyone was out of map and I usually look map very often to see whats happening around.)

[Pepe]

Staga,

That is precisely the point. Looking at the map does not make any difference in Rookland these days. And we have no way to counter as well. And resets are too scarce given the numbers. We find ourselves in the vulchfest night after night.

Knits are as dirty as Bishops or as Knights. There is no substantial difference between countries. That's what I find wrong in your post. It seems that only Rooks do that. And this is a lie. Every country has its dweeb quota, and you've chosen the worst possible moment to point that. I remember clearly 2 weeks ago, Island Map, Rookland confined to motherland only, and a Knit Off-The-Map raid into our HQ. At least, for what the subject of your thread is concened, the Rook attack is arguably our only defense against en masse vulching.

Anyway, it's OK. You made your point, I made mine. For me, it is a dweebish movement, and I will not make it whatever it takes. But It is understandable that vulching pressure leave that as the only way around. If you do not want this to happen, go for the reset, fast. That is. Easy task, given the numbers.

Cheers,

Pepe

[This message has been edited by Pepe (edited 03-09-2001).]

[Ripsnort]

Happened again last night, Bish were 25 miles outside the edge of the map.

[StSanta]

It's a dirty, gamey tactics no matter who does it.

In soccer, it's possible to kick someone's leg. Some do it, but it's generally disliked both by the players and by the audience. A career might potentially be wasted by a cheap shot.

To take Lancs off map to milk run HQ, cities and factories and ANNOY the HELL out of 40 people for 2.5 hours is damned dweeby.

The kind of people who say "the odds are against us, so let's cheat" will lose respect from me big time.

I attempt to try to fight fair. 9./JG54 seeks away from the main hordes for some good decent fighting, where kills teals, killshooter and vulching isn't the norm.

I won't take a b26 and drop bombs on an m3 just because I can, standing from the ground.

I won't fly off map, just because I can.

This is about respect for your fellow simmers. Or in this case, lack thereof.

Period  .


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[ET]

Since all country's are flying off map from time to time,why not have fast fighter do a scout mission once in a while to see if any thing is out there.They could take off from outer perimeter base.Losing HQs and city on one enemy bomb run really hurts.If enough enemy flights were detected and killed,it would soon take the fun out of it.Congrats on finding and killing that Lanc flight.

[Pepe]

Yes, and every country does it. Not only Rookland. EVERY ONE.

Btw, talking about respect, how about going straight for the reset, and respect your adversary for a fight against odds, instead of vulching endlessly, keeping only 2/3 fields alive?. And this is not directed against anybody in particular. It is a situation that every country suffers from time to time and is at least as annoying as having no radar for 2.5 hrs. (maybe I am getting used to no radar  ).

Talking about respect within this game is talking abour each one's particular attitude in this simm.

How many of us can state clearly "I have respect for my enemy" here? and where this "respect" ends?.

For an example, go ask straffo, for instance. He will teach what respect is  <S!>.

I do not qualify Squads as a whole. In 9.JG/54's particular case, I'm sure you, as a whole, show great deal of respect for your fellow simmers (and I think we crossed sometime as long ago as 1.02 or something, if my memory suits me well, and have a good memory of that fight, we were 2 spitfires on your 109 and draw was the result) but definitely not all of your squad members are, how can I say it...respectful kind of people. If even in the close circle of a Squad there are black sheep (hehe, maybe I should chose another example), go figure in a whole country.

So, In this particular issue, I respect as much the ones that fight fair and square, as I disrespect the ones that do not show respect for his, as StSanta says, fellow simmers. And show respect does not only fits into the "fly off the map" cathegory. Pointing the finger against someone, and even worse, against one country is disrespectful. StSanta, you are right, this is a matter of respect.

Again, you are right when you say lack of. But I am not pointing my finger in the general direction of this particular Off-The-Map mission in the first place. Lots of them had happened, and, unfortunately, if Htc. do not fix it, lots of there will happen in the future. But it is not a matter of who did what. If we all start to call names in here, pretty much everyone has a skeleton in his drawer.

Each one draw his own conclusions.

Pepe.

[GADGET]

I was the lider of that formation of Lancs and YES... we were off shore about 20 NM.

It was the first time we did something like that (I usually fly fighters almost 100% as you might know by now... and I dislike buffs) but it is a pitty that INSTANT MORALIST now thing that this tactic was wrong, when it has been done to us many times, maybe by their own friends... or themselves.

If I understand it right...it is OK if it is done to the rooks when they have only 3 fields remaining, but it is WRONG if the rooks deffend themselves.

And YES we were 20 miles offshore... we could have been 50, 70, 100 or more miles (we had the fuel and the patience)... It passed by my mind for an instant... and nobody would have been able to detect us then... but WE didn't... WE just sorrounded the area that was being gangbanged by the knights at that precise moment.

I have been in WB and AH tiem enought to know that when you fly offlimits the activity bar shines like a X-mas tree... I DO HAVE SEEN IT QUITE FRECUENTLY DONE TO US AND I MYSELF HAVE INTERCEPTED MANY OFFLIMITS BUFFS... and even worse... FIGHTERS. And all of it...when WE WERE LOOSING...lol.

It a shame that the screenshot doesn't show the orde of Knights vulching our fields in that area... the only area remaining to Rookland and just a corner of the map...  It is a shame that you don't show any shot of the rooster at that moment.

For you SKILLFULL ACES, plz explain to my how to counterattack, trying to pass 10 buffs through a gang of 50 knights. What we dis was just an alternative... but probably THE ONLY ONE.

YES... we were loosing all fields... and YES we were doing as much as we could to save them.

Why don't say anything now about those KAMIKAZE knights, diving on the CVs and FHs, EVERY NIGHT, droping the bombs barely 100 feet before dying. Some of you stink as bad as we did that night, or worse.

Why is it that i don't feel any shame or dishonor????

But if you do have any trouble with it, if I hurt the MACHO FEELING of any ace of the arena, you can post your messages directly to ME on our forum at, and will be properly answered:
 http://www.melodysoft.com/cgi-bin/foro.cgi?ID=101


GADGET


 
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[AKDejaVu]

 

Is the topic without merit for discussion?
It doesn't matter what other ways people exploit a loophole (if this even indeed unintentional, which I am not sure is the case), the concern is whether this is intended or should be allowed if it is not.

Actually, flying off the map is a topic that merits discussion Keiren, it is not a topic that merrits accusations, insults, witch-hunts and overall bad-mouthing.

You tell me what direction this thread went.

I do like the idea of a single sector all-water boundary.  It gives an extra 25 miles of warning.  I don't like the idea of calling people cheaters, hacks, dweebs and so forth.

AKDejaVu

[wolf37]

AKSeaWulfe:

If he is going to ask the questons, then why  not  give his answers to them as well.

Oh, and AKDejaVu, how about this one.

Have you ever used a ostwind to attack a field with.

My answer, When the ostwind first came out, I like everbody else checked it out, and used it the first couple of weeks. But now should I use the ostwind it is only on defence. I dont like the dweebs that use it to level the acks and Vh at a field and then sit at the runways padding there scores, and I will make danm sure I let who ever is doing it know I thing they are a queer cross dressing closet queen studmuffinot. and I dont care what team they are on, wheather it be the Rooks, the Bishops or the Knights.

I my self do not look for ways to game the game. I have never taken a buff off the map, I dont take buffs to 30+K. the only time I can remember going off the map was when chasing a lanc. I dont use the ostwind to attack enemy fields. I fly what ever plane I fly and try my best to win what ever fight I am in.

 

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