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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #120 on: November 14, 2013, 12:07:25 PM »
You can out turn many many planes to the left though,and get off the throttle a bit i'll turn right with a lot.I fly em a lot and love em,but they are really good turners.

My point is that if you do give up your six to a 109 variant other than the F, you have an easy escape plan and the G2 doesn't turn as well as the F.  In fact, even if the G2 did turn as well,  you'd give up all that turning advantage in slow speeds because it's a death trap in stall fights while the F and other variants are not.  They take some getting used to but once you make some adjustments they are just fine.  The G does not test positive for awesome
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #121 on: November 14, 2013, 12:10:13 PM »
The 109g2 turns about as good as the F. If you ever plan on turning do not bring gunpods as it will decrease your moves significantly.
In a situation where your enemy turns right and enters a 180 degree turn you could pull up, and then turn left and back onto his 6.
The 109 does have a little trouble with turn rate to the right due to the power of the engine pulling left, however this can be solved through trim adjustments if it bothers you enough.

I personally do not feel that the difference is so drastic that I have to really worry about it. I do my best to stay out of turn fights when I am flying the 109 especially with a spitfire, la, or zero. Some are unavoidable though!
The cool thing with the 109's are the slats on the wings that kick in when you are getting too slow. They give you a little boost in your turn but beware! Push your plane to hard in a turn with slats out and you will find yourself in a first class trip to the ground!
I am fairly new(1 month) but I have flown the 109 exclusively in other games and know how she handles pretty well. Knowing how to adjust the throttle, kick WEP on, and using flaps all at the right time(along with trim), will help you in defeating a better turning plane than you. It is not an easy task though  :joystick:
 

I am up for a turn test in the DA purely for test data.  You fly the G2 and I'll fly the F.  Then we can switch.   There is no way, with trim or without it the G2 will turn with the F.  The G will be in knots in 3 mins or less.
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #122 on: November 14, 2013, 12:25:37 PM »
I am up for a turn test in the DA purely for test data.  You fly the G2 and I'll fly the F.  Then we can switch.   There is no way, with trim or without it the G2 will turn with the F.  The G will be in knots in 3 mins or less.

I agree with changeup in AH david, the F turns circles around any G model.

The F is like a spit, only better if you ask me.

a g2 should beat a g14 and k4 in a turn fight depending on the pilot. Technically the G2 does out turn the G6,14, and K model with = skill ability.
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #123 on: November 14, 2013, 12:40:20 PM »
My point is that if you do give up your six to a 109 variant other than the F, you have an easy escape plan and the G2 doesn't turn as well as the F.  In fact, even if the G2 did turn as well,  you'd give up all that turning advantage in slow speeds because it's a death trap in stall fights while the F and other variants are not.  They take some getting used to but once you make some adjustments they are just fine.  The G does not test positive for awesome
Okay,and non of that has anything to do with my first statement.  :D
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #124 on: November 14, 2013, 12:42:49 PM »
The 109g2 turns about as good as the F. If you ever plan on turning do not bring gunpods as it will decrease your moves significantly.
In a situation where your enemy turns right and enters a 180 degree turn you could pull up, and then turn left and back onto his 6.
The 109 does have a little trouble with turn rate to the right due to the power of the engine pulling left, however this can be solved through trim adjustments if it bothers you enough.

I personally do not feel that the difference is so drastic that I have to really worry about it. I do my best to stay out of turn fights when I am flying the 109 especially with a spitfire, la, or zero. Some are unavoidable though!
The cool thing with the 109's are the slats on the wings that kick in when you are getting too slow. They give you a little boost in your turn but beware! Push your plane to hard in a turn with slats out and you will find yourself in a first class trip to the ground!
I am fairly new(1 month) but I have flown the 109 exclusively in other games and know how she handles pretty well. Knowing how to adjust the throttle, kick WEP on, and using flaps all at the right time(along with trim), will help you in defeating a better turning plane than you. It is not an easy task though  :joystick:
 
get your head checked you possibly think the g series can turn with the f model.

I honestly think the plane turns the same left or right. ONLY problem with going right it that you really gotta yank it over to ROLL right at slow speeds.
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #125 on: November 14, 2013, 12:43:08 PM »
I have flown the 109 for many many years in AH..

the 109 is not the best turner in the game.

However, it can turn quite well unexpectedly if you are not careful. The plane has great low and slow characteristics as far as stalling below 130 mph. It can handle the rolling scissors better than most planes in the game. I use a secret tactic about to the roll and engine that I will not share on the BB.

any 109 will beat the hell out of any p51 1 v 1. The p51 only has a speed/dive advantage.

No the 109 does not dive well. above 460, your looking at ailerons, elevators freezing up, death if not careful.

the E and F series 109s can out turn most spit pilots in the game. Spit V may give it a hard time.

I love 1 v 1 almost any plane in the 109 cause it can trump most unexpected pilots. The hardest fights are against a good N1K, Ki84, a good spit, or F4U. Typically you work it into a furball, your not looking for speed or alt measures, you mainly attack co-alt, or lower planes and use slight E advantage to use the cut inside maneuver and knock them down.

The 109 has some of the best defensive over shoot tactics to use against BnZers.

Personally I think it takes way more skill to learn the 109s than the p51, If the P51 had a better turn rate it would be a beast of a plane, but most people are afraid to get low and slow in the MA.


And all this basically agrees with my main points,its hardly an easy mode plane,its just fast. :salute
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #126 on: November 14, 2013, 12:46:45 PM »
I have flown the 109 for many many years in AH..



I use a secret tactic about to the roll and engine that I will not share on the BB.


Wow, you are soooooo special...  :rofl :rofl :rolleyes:
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #127 on: November 14, 2013, 01:12:41 PM »
Wow, you are soooooo special...  :rofl :rofl :rolleyes:

totally!!! harhar :D
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #128 on: November 14, 2013, 01:33:36 PM »
totally!!! harhar :D
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #129 on: November 14, 2013, 01:35:11 PM »
secrets don't make friends  :old:

What if it is a secret that you are friends  :old:

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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #130 on: November 14, 2013, 01:35:42 PM »
Tall fences make good neighbors though..  :old:
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #131 on: November 14, 2013, 01:37:23 PM »
Tall fences make good neighbors though..  :old:

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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #132 on: November 14, 2013, 02:07:22 PM »
I am up for a turn test in the DA purely for test data.  You fly the G2 and I'll fly the F.  Then we can switch.   There is no way, with trim or without it the G2 will turn with the F.  The G will be in knots in 3 mins or less.

Agreed. 

It especially won't turn with a F when I fly it....I always fly with gondolas!  Main reason I prefer the G2 over the F (tho' the F is a fun plane).  With my crappy gunnery the greater lead flying through the air the better.   :D
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #133 on: November 14, 2013, 04:42:10 PM »
Agreed. 

It especially won't turn with a F when I fly it....I always fly with gondolas!  Main reason I prefer the G2 over the F (tho' the F is a fun plane).  With my crappy gunnery the greater lead flying through the air the better.   :D

ME too fulc

Id rather hit them with 8 20mm cannons on the first snap shot, than fly around for 10 more minutes pinging them 1 or 2 silly 20mm... thats how you get picked right there..

most people will tell you the lighter plane is better,,,, but i beg to differ hehehe.
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Re: Fear the Pony
« Reply #134 on: November 14, 2013, 04:44:15 PM »
ME too fulc

Id rather hit them with 8 20mm cannons on the first snap shot, than fly around for 10 more minutes pinging them 1 or 2 silly 20mm... thats how you get picked right there..

most people will tell you the lighter plane is better,,,, but i beg to differ hehehe.

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