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Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« on: November 10, 2013, 03:39:25 PM »
http://theaviationist.com/2013/11/10/f-14-vs-ufo/#.Un_6V-Is2So

I've read a lot of things in the last ten years about potential USAF new technology, most of it sounding pretty far fetched.  After reading this article, it makes me wonder if the USA has indeed created some new type of gravity drive technology, or something like that.  I know from reading a lot of BBS with current and x USAF pilots, every now and then one of them slips something in like "things you'll never know about", or "things I'll never be able to speak about".  That's happened even here on this board.  I have to say, it fascinates me, and I hope to love to see the day when some of this tech is declassified, just like when the first F117 and B2 pictures were released on TV.  Reading about what these F14 pilots said - yes, they may be Iranian, but they've used the F14 to great effect vs Iraq, and are no less pro than any other air force probably.  I tend to believe them when they observe things like a vehicle over their nuke facilities that can go from a speed of zero, hovering, to over Mach 10, and have all kinds of incredible ECM as well.

I'm sure a couple of the USAF/USN guys who are x fighter pilots, and I'm sure we all know who I'm talking about, probably know or at least have a good idea about this type of technology.  I know from looking at history, and how far mankind progressed from the Wright brothers to say Vietnam, and from Vietnam to now just doesn't add up in terms of a curve on a chart - there must be a lot of secret capability out there.  Where else can all the money be going anyway.  It would certainly explain a lot of crazy UFO stories at least.

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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2013, 04:17:01 PM »
I'll just sit back and watch this one with popcorn and beer in hand.  I work in DoD and have a contributing part in developing the FY spend plan - defending my organization's prioritized requirements is my job.

I don't have the clearance for much of the black stuff nor (i'm sure) the high tech stuff the Services are developing.  However, I know there are existing programs. 

If anyone that knows that kind of detail were actually stupid enough to post something classified, I'll be the first on the horn :lol
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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2013, 04:27:41 PM »
In my years as a Ranger, I participated in all kinds of operations none of you will ever know about (because we did our job right).  If lowly grunts like myself are used for black stuff, I'm sure the Air Force with their budget plus good buddy NASA have some stuff 99.9% of our country knows jack about.
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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2013, 04:47:19 PM »
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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2013, 05:36:44 PM »
I'm highly skeptical that the USAF has anything even remotely matching the capabilities described by the Iranians. Especially the part about exoatmospheric operations.

But a high performance, high-altitude drone? Absolutely. Infact, it seems probable that we have such a drone.
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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2013, 05:38:50 PM »
when did we give 14s to Iran.
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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2013, 05:43:35 PM »
Sometime in the 70's, back before the Iranian revolution. We were trying to keep Iran's government friendly with us, and keep our influence in the region.

As I understand it, once the Shah got overthrown, we were pretty steamed, and gave Iraq quite a bit of help in the Iran-Iraq war.
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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2013, 05:43:57 PM »
when did we give 14s to Iran.

Sell, not give.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-14_Tomcat

The sole foreign customer for the Tomcat was the Imperial Iranian Air Force, during the reign of the last Shah (King) of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. In the early 1970s, the Imperial Iranian Air Force (IIAF) was searching for an advanced fighter, specifically one capable of intercepting Soviet MiG-25 "Foxbat" reconnaissance flights. After a visit of U.S. President Richard Nixon to Iran in 1972, during which Iran was offered the latest in American military technology, the IIAF narrowed its choice to the F-14 Tomcat or McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle. Grumman Corporation arranged a competitive demonstration of the Eagle against the Tomcat before the Shah, and in January 1974, Iran ordered 30 F-14s and 424 AIM-54 Phoenix missiles, initiating Project Persian King, worth US$300 million. A few months later, this order was increased to a total of 80 Tomcats and 714 Phoenix missiles as well as spare parts and replacement engines for 10 years, complete armament package, and support infrastructure (including construction of the huge Khatami Air Base in the desert near Esfahan).

The first F-14 arrived in January 1976, modified only by the removal of classified avionics components, but fitted with the TF-30-414 engines. The following year 12 more were delivered. Meanwhile, training of the first groups of Iranian crews by the U.S. Navy, was underway in the USA; and one of these conducted a successful shoot-down with a Phoenix missile of a target drone flying at 50,000 ft (15 km).

Following the overthrow of the Shah in 1979, the air force was renamed the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) and the post-revolution interim government of Iran canceled most Western arms orders. In 1980 an Iranian F-14 shot down an Iraqi Mil Mi-25 helicopter for its first air-to-air kill during the Iran-Iraq conflict.[55]
Flight formation of Iranian Tomcats, 2008

According to research by Tom Cooper, within the first six months of the war Iranian F-14s scored over 50 air-to-air victories, mainly against Iraqi MiG-21s and MiG-23s, but some also against Su-20/22s. In exchange, only a single F-14A was destroyed by a MiG-21.[55]

Between 1982 and 1986 Iranian Tomcats were to see use in a series of slowly developing campaigns: mainly tasked with patrolling the skies over objects vital for the survival of Iranian regime and economy, like Tehran, or Kharg Island. Most of these patrols were supported by the fleet of Boeing 707-3J9C tankers, and some lasted as long as 10 hours, thanks to up to four successive in-flight refuelings. Time and again, they were involved in new air battles, and had scored heavily, but their main role was that of intimidating the Iraqi Air Force. Cognizant of previous heavy losses in battles against Iranian F-14s, the Iraqis avoided any engagement with them, so that the sole presence of a Tomcat over the target area was enough to force Iraqi formations to abort their attacks. Because of this, and because of the precision and effectiveness of the Tomcat's AWG-9 weapons system and AIM-54A Phoenix long-range air-to-air missiles, the F-14 maintained air control over a lengthy period of time.[citation needed]

(Iranian ace Jalil Zandi is credited with shooting down 11 Iraqi aircraft during Iran–Iraq War and is the most successful F-14 pilot.[56])

By 1987, the Iraqis had suffered such heavy losses to Iranian Tomcats that they were forced to find a solution with which they could engage them under equal circumstances. In early 1988 France delivered Mirage F.1EQ-6 fighters, equipped with Super 530D and Magic Mk.2 missiles, to Iraq. In July 1988, after a series of air battles through February, March, and May 1988, in which the Iraqis suffered additional heavy losses to IRIAF Tomcats, the new IrAF Mirages finally managed to shoot down two Iranian F-14s in a single engagement.[citation needed]

Overall, Tom Cooper claims that Iranian F-14s shot down at least 160 Iraqi aircraft during the Iran-Iraq War, which include 58 MiG-23s, 23 MiG-21s, nine MiG-25s, 33 Dassault Mirage F1s, 23 Su-17s, one Mil Mi-24, five Tu-22s, two MiG-27s, one Dassault Mirage 5, one B-6D, one Aérospatiale Super Frelon, and two unknown aircraft. Despite the circumstances under which the F-14s and their crews had to operate in Iran during the eight-year long war against Iraq, it is still the premier fighter in the Iranian Air Force. The aircraft continued to operate without any support from AWACS or AEW aircraft, without even a proper support from the Ground Control Intercept(GCI). It faced an enemy that was repeatedly introducing new and more capable fighters, radars, weapons and ECM systems in combat and was supported by no less than three "superpowers" (France, the USA, and the USSR). Their crews were also permanently under heavy pressure from the regime in Tehran. That it proved as successful in combat is a result of strenuous efforts of IRIAF personnel and immense investment of the Iranian economy.[55]

Iran had an estimated 44 F-14s in 2009;[57] It has 19 F-14s in operation in January 2013, according to estimate by Aviation Week.[58]

In January 2007, the U.S. Department of Defense announced that sales of spare F-14 parts would be suspended over concerns of the parts ending up in Iran.[59] In July 2007, the remaining American F-14s were shredded to ensure that any parts could not be acquired.[54] In summer of 2010, Iran requested that the United States deliver the 80th F-14 it had purchased in 1974, but delivery was denied after the Islamic Revolution.[60][61] In October 2010, an Iranian Air Force commander claimed that the country overhauls and optimizes different types of military aircraft, mentioning that Air Force has even installed Iran-made radar systems on the F-14.[62]

On 26 January 2012, an Iranian F-14 crashed three minutes after takeoff. Both crew members were killed.[63]

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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2013, 05:48:55 PM »
I also remember:

In 1978, Reza Pahlavi, then Crown Prince of Iran, left his homeland to complete his higher education in the United States. An accomplished jet fighter pilot, Reza Pahlavi completed the United States Air Force Training Program at the former Reese Air Force Base in Lubbock, Texas. He is a Political Science graduate of the University of Southern California.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1620847/bio

I was a local sophomore in high school at the time.

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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2013, 05:51:06 PM »
Sell, not give.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-14_Tomcat

The sole foreign customer for the Tomcat was the Imperial Iranian Air Force, during the reign of the last Shah (King) of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. In the early 1970s, the Imperial Iranian Air Force (IIAF) was searching for an advanced fighter, specifically one capable of intercepting Soviet MiG-25 "Foxbat" reconnaissance flights. After a visit of U.S. President Richard Nixon to Iran in 1972, during which Iran was offered the latest in American military technology, the IIAF narrowed its choice to the F-14 Tomcat or McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle. Grumman Corporation arranged a competitive demonstration of the Eagle against the Tomcat before the Shah, and in January 1974, Iran ordered 30 F-14s and 424 AIM-54 Phoenix missiles, initiating Project Persian King, worth US$300 million. A few months later, this order was increased to a total of 80 Tomcats and 714 Phoenix missiles as well as spare parts and replacement engines for 10 years, complete armament package, and support infrastructure (including construction of the huge Khatami Air Base in the desert near Esfahan).

The first F-14 arrived in January 1976, modified only by the removal of classified avionics components, but fitted with the TF-30-414 engines. The following year 12 more were delivered. Meanwhile, training of the first groups of Iranian crews by the U.S. Navy, was underway in the USA; and one of these conducted a successful shoot-down with a Phoenix missile of a target drone flying at 50,000 ft (15 km).

Following the overthrow of the Shah in 1979, the air force was renamed the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) and the post-revolution interim government of Iran canceled most Western arms orders. In 1980 an Iranian F-14 shot down an Iraqi Mil Mi-25 helicopter for its first air-to-air kill during the Iran-Iraq conflict.[55]
Flight formation of Iranian Tomcats, 2008

According to research by Tom Cooper, within the first six months of the war Iranian F-14s scored over 50 air-to-air victories, mainly against Iraqi MiG-21s and MiG-23s, but some also against Su-20/22s. In exchange, only a single F-14A was destroyed by a MiG-21.[55]

Between 1982 and 1986 Iranian Tomcats were to see use in a series of slowly developing campaigns: mainly tasked with patrolling the skies over objects vital for the survival of Iranian regime and economy, like Tehran, or Kharg Island. Most of these patrols were supported by the fleet of Boeing 707-3J9C tankers, and some lasted as long as 10 hours, thanks to up to four successive in-flight refuelings. Time and again, they were involved in new air battles, and had scored heavily, but their main role was that of intimidating the Iraqi Air Force. Cognizant of previous heavy losses in battles against Iranian F-14s, the Iraqis avoided any engagement with them, so that the sole presence of a Tomcat over the target area was enough to force Iraqi formations to abort their attacks. Because of this, and because of the precision and effectiveness of the Tomcat's AWG-9 weapons system and AIM-54A Phoenix long-range air-to-air missiles, the F-14 maintained air control over a lengthy period of time.[citation needed]

(Iranian ace Jalil Zandi is credited with shooting down 11 Iraqi aircraft during Iran–Iraq War and is the most successful F-14 pilot.[56])

By 1987, the Iraqis had suffered such heavy losses to Iranian Tomcats that they were forced to find a solution with which they could engage them under equal circumstances. In early 1988 France delivered Mirage F.1EQ-6 fighters, equipped with Super 530D and Magic Mk.2 missiles, to Iraq. In July 1988, after a series of air battles through February, March, and May 1988, in which the Iraqis suffered additional heavy losses to IRIAF Tomcats, the new IrAF Mirages finally managed to shoot down two Iranian F-14s in a single engagement.[citation needed]

Overall, Tom Cooper claims that Iranian F-14s shot down at least 160 Iraqi aircraft during the Iran-Iraq War, which include 58 MiG-23s, 23 MiG-21s, nine MiG-25s, 33 Dassault Mirage F1s, 23 Su-17s, one Mil Mi-24, five Tu-22s, two MiG-27s, one Dassault Mirage 5, one B-6D, one Aérospatiale Super Frelon, and two unknown aircraft. Despite the circumstances under which the F-14s and their crews had to operate in Iran during the eight-year long war against Iraq, it is still the premier fighter in the Iranian Air Force. The aircraft continued to operate without any support from AWACS or AEW aircraft, without even a proper support from the Ground Control Intercept(GCI). It faced an enemy that was repeatedly introducing new and more capable fighters, radars, weapons and ECM systems in combat and was supported by no less than three "superpowers" (France, the USA, and the USSR). Their crews were also permanently under heavy pressure from the regime in Tehran. That it proved as successful in combat is a result of strenuous efforts of IRIAF personnel and immense investment of the Iranian economy.[55]

Iran had an estimated 44 F-14s in 2009;[57] It has 19 F-14s in operation in January 2013, according to estimate by Aviation Week.[58]

In January 2007, the U.S. Department of Defense announced that sales of spare F-14 parts would be suspended over concerns of the parts ending up in Iran.[59] In July 2007, the remaining American F-14s were shredded to ensure that any parts could not be acquired.[54] In summer of 2010, Iran requested that the United States deliver the 80th F-14 it had purchased in 1974, but delivery was denied after the Islamic Revolution.[60][61] In October 2010, an Iranian Air Force commander claimed that the country overhauls and optimizes different types of military aircraft, mentioning that Air Force has even installed Iran-made radar systems on the F-14.[62]

On 26 January 2012, an Iranian F-14 crashed three minutes after takeoff. Both crew members were killed.[63]
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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2013, 06:12:09 PM »
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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2013, 06:13:24 PM »
I'll just sit back and watch this one with popcorn and beer in hand.  I work in DoD and have a contributing part in developing the FY spend plan - defending my organization's prioritized requirements is my job.

I don't have the clearance for much of the black stuff nor (i'm sure) the high tech stuff the Services are developing.  However, I know there are existing programs. 

If anyone that knows that kind of detail were actually stupid enough to post something classified, I'll be the first on the horn :lol
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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2013, 07:00:02 PM »
In my years as a Ranger, I participated in all kinds of operations none of you will ever know about (because we did our job right).  If lowly grunts like myself are used for black stuff, I'm sure the Air Force with their budget plus good buddy NASA have some stuff 99.9% of our country knows jack about.
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2013, 09:25:57 PM »
As big as the DODs budget is they better have some super duper crap flying around!   :furious
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Re: Iranian F14's vs USA "UFO's"
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2013, 01:44:26 AM »
In 20 years time when the US owns everything how are you going to justify trillon dollar weapons :old:

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