P-51 w/ 10 HVAR loadout

[atlau]

Supposedly the P-51 could carry 10 HVARs (when no bombs loaded). Any chance we could see this as an ordnance loadout?

[Tank-Ace]

Not without solid proof it was an official loadout and at least one photograph of its pretty rare.


Besides that, I really don't think it should be added, regardless of if it was official.

We've near enough proven the P-51D never carried 6x HVARs and 2x 1000lb bombs at the same time. Making the thing worse would not be a good thing.

[lyric1]

We've near enough proven the P-51D never carried 6x HVARs and 2x 1000lb bombs at the same time.

No you have not.

[Ack-Ack]

Besides that, I really don't think it should be added, regardless of if it was official.

Why shouldn't it?  Even if it was a very rare load out, if it was used then it should be an ordnance option.  Why are you for limiting a plane's options or you're just for limiting things that aren't on Luftwaffe planes?

ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

Why shouldn't it?  Even if it was a very rare load out, if it was used then it should be an ordnance option.  Why are you for limiting a plane's options or you're just for limiting things that aren't on Luftwaffe planes?

ack-ack

I explained why in the same post, if you will care to look.

Perked ordnance system, or remove the ability to carry the 1000lb bombs along with the HVARs, then fine.

But it would not be logical to exacerbate an existing problem for the sake of a rare loadout.


And I don't want the Fritz X bomb, or any of the guided Torpedos, for example. I've never been an advocate of adding such things, which would be heavily dominated by the Germans.

I've never asked for the He 177, which would be better than any free Allied bomber.

I've never wanted the Do 335, despite its überness.

While I really really want the He 162, I recognize that there isn't enough evidence that it saw combat at squadron strength.

You idiots keep calling me biased, but I'm actually quite consistent about applying such rules. If I ask for what I personally want, well I don't see you making requests for a Panzer III, or a Do 217.

[gyrene81]

Not without solid proof it was an official loadout and at least one photograph of its pretty rare.

Besides that, I really don't think it should be added, regardless of if it was official.

We've near enough proven the P-51D never carried 6x HVARs and 2x 1000lb bombs at the same time. Making the thing worse would not be a good thing.

how would 10 hvars without bombs make it worse?

[Butcher]

No you have not.

The argument we had never had a true answer whether it was a field modification or used daily. I still found no photos of a WW2 mustang with that ords, not saying it didn't carry it - but I have found no proof - I do know some korean war mustangs did, many of the photos get renamed as WW2 squadrons.

[Tank-Ace]

how would 10 hvars without bombs make it worse?

1K bombs + 6 HVAR's was either VERY rare, or unused. Evidence suggests unused, but we'll call it very rare.    A perked ordnance system has pretty universally been seen as a good solution.

10 HVAR's was a rare loadout. Depending on just how rare it was, it might warrant being perked on its own.

Now you want to do both at the same time with no regulation whatsoever.

[Karnak]

Anything that increases the number of P-51Ds is probably not a good thing at this time.

[lyric1]

The argument we had never had a true answer whether it was a field modification or used daily. I still found no photos of a WW2 mustang with that ords, not saying it didn't carry it - but I have found no proof - I do know some korean war mustangs did, many of the photos get renamed as WW2 squadrons.

Hang on you were one of those who said find just one photo & you can't because there is none. Or words to that effect. Then this photo is found & now it is questionable still? That is not Korean markings on that aircraft. The P-51 hand book shows this set up so it is no field modification either.

[Randy1]

If it were not for the need to knock down hangers with 2600#s of ords, the load-outs would be much more realistic.  Seems like I read that 500# bombs was the common load out.

 The mustang with 10 rockets and no bombs sounds reasonable to me.

[atlau]

I don't think that the 10xHVAR loadout would imbalance the game at all but just give you another option based on the mission you are attempting to accomplish. Not sure why people would have that much of a problem with it. (As for all the complaining about the 1000lbers - it turns the 51 into a real pig and is really only good for hangars or town centers. It's not a great tank plinking loadout because when you drop 1 and have 1 left it makes the aircraft pretty unstable).

Also, why can't we get the P-38 loadouts w/ 6 500lbers or 2x1000 + 4x500 lbers? Although it is true I'd hate to see what the Bish B-38 hordes would do with that

(I found a picture of the P38 w/ 6x500 lbers about 1/2 down this page: http://usaircraft.proboards.com/thread/4404/51s-47s-38s

[Butcher]

Hang on you were one of those who said find just one photo & you can't because there is none. Or words to that effect.

Exaggeration of what I said, but I understand - I said I went through thousands of mustang photos and did not see one photo of a WW2 era mustang with 1k bombs and rocekts. I challenged everyone else and only one photo surfaced. I did find 15 photos of Mustangs in KOREA with bombs and rockets.
Mean while I can show 5 photos of C.205s and C.202s with drop tanks and I cannot get that added. Then again I find no books or information that shows this was a standard load out.

I have a few operating manuals for the mustangs as well, nothing I have shows it was a standard load out or rather mention both options as standard use. Then again I am always happy to share my info and books, vs others who give no information or source so people can look.

Honestly, long as it was operationally used, then its good in my book - but its one of those things people defend and I see no information for it. So basically I can say "here's one photo of a Do-335 flying, it must be added!"
I think ack-ack or someone else showed a while back the 38 carried 2k bombs or something to that effect, I quit playing right before I wanted to make a case for it, I knew it was more operationally used then the P-51 and could make an argument for it.

[wpeters]

Also, why can't we get the P-38 loadouts w/ 6 500lbers or 2x1000 + 4x500 lbers? Although it is true I'd hate to see what the Bish B-38 hordes would do with that

(I found a picture of the P38 w/ 6x500 lbers about 1/2 down this page: http://usaircraft.proboards.com/thread/4404/51s-47s-38s

Oh i love that..  I would take that up instead of the A-20 to kill gvs

[Shifty]

Anything that increases the number of P-51Ds is probably not a good thing at this time.

If you give them more crap to carry it will slow them down.