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Offline J.A.W.

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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #285 on: November 21, 2013, 10:03:48 PM »
No problem, JAW's been doing that with his inline engine lovefest for the last half a dozen pages, anyway.

Ok, Sm, ah, sorry - Sax, [ I wouldn't want to imply any 'kinky lovefest' stuff]..

But remind the forum - if you will -just which  type of mill [ liquid or air cooled]
has powered the Reno Gold Champ race winning heavy fighter in recent times..
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #286 on: November 21, 2013, 10:18:25 PM »
You should go back and read the report again. The two best fighters overall (in the opinion of the pilots) were the XF8F-1 and the F7F-1. Both blue and both powered by the R-2800. Indeed, a unmodified F8F-1 held the time to climb record from 1946 into the mid 1980s. From a standing start to 10,000 feet in 96 seconds. I've spoken to pilots who currently fly the F8F-2, F7F-3N and P-51D. All readily concede that either Grumman would easily abuse a Mustang. Both Grumman planes climb much, much faster. Both accelerate much, much faster. The Bearcat easily out-turns the Mustang (the Bearcat's turn radius is slightly greater than the FM-2). The F7F can stay with the P-51 through any maneuvers its pilot may attempt, and can break off combat at will by simply taking the fight vertical.

I've got more than 3,200 hours behind R-2800s and R-1820s.... How many do you have?

What "record" would that be?
An airshow stunt in a hot-rodded Bearcat?
That aint a kosher record..

How many hours have you got behind a V-1650-9 @ 90in boost?
Or WFO behind a Napier Sabre?

How many of those F8F jockeys mentioned have `51H stick time?

I suggest you go back to the wwiiaircraftpeformance website & run the numbers of a mil-spec F8F vs `51H, it wont cut it against the equivalent
 load out toting `51H..

& [from memory] didn't Corky Meyer [Grumman test pilot] concede that the XF8F needed a lot of work to solve directional stability issues, & would be unacceptable to the USN as a service fighter until they did?

I note that Grumman had finally got around to fitting a decent blown bubble canopy of the kind used in operational service by Hawker fighters for quite some time already..
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #287 on: November 21, 2013, 10:28:08 PM »
JAW's posts are like Chick Tracts: Aircraft Edition.
Ron White says you can't fix stupid. I beg to differ. Stupid will usually sort itself out, it's just a matter of making sure you're not close enough to become collateral damage.

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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #288 on: November 21, 2013, 10:31:44 PM »
Well, you sure picked the right BBs name because you do like to JAW but I noticed every once in a while you must like, sleep or something.

Anyway, this is tiresome... time for bed.   :old:
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #289 on: November 21, 2013, 10:33:24 PM »
JAW's posts are like Chick Tracts: Aircraft Edition.

"Chick tracts" , Sm?
Again with the "kinky lovefest" stuff? L.O.L...

& if you think original USAF documents are that, then you are ill-educated..
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #290 on: November 21, 2013, 10:36:40 PM »
Well, you sure picked the right BBs name because you do like to JAW but I noticed every once in a while you must like, sleep or something.

Anyway, this is tiresome... time for bed.   :old:


Real useful post there.. not..[ more like trolling really]..

& I'm not interested in your bed time habits either..

Are you the 'Orly' bird in T-A's earlier post, by the way?
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #291 on: November 21, 2013, 10:40:09 PM »
Real useful post there.. not..[ more like trolling really]..

& I'm not interested in your bed time habits either..

Are you the 'Orly' bird in T-A's earlier post, by the way?

Nah, just thought I'd post something as worthless as you've been doing.

You are super-building your post count though.   :aok
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #292 on: November 21, 2013, 10:44:27 PM »
So what, at least they aren't pointless blather - like your last couple of posts..
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #293 on: November 21, 2013, 10:57:42 PM »
So what, at least they aren't pointless blather - like your last couple of posts..

That's debatable.
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #294 on: November 21, 2013, 11:02:37 PM »
You'd surely lose that 'debate' - old boy..

 Given that you have posted no actual relevant data,

& have been checked, on the  - 'tiresome' - blather issue..

Off to bed now, there's a good ol' birdy...

« Last Edit: November 21, 2013, 11:06:30 PM by J.A.W. »
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #295 on: November 21, 2013, 11:09:45 PM »
You'd surely lose that 'debate' - old boy..

 Given that you have posted no actual relevant data,

& have been checked, on the  - 'tiresome' - blather issue..

Off to bed now, there's a good ol' birdy...



Not really interested in debating it, not likely to post any relevent data and don't really care what you think of my posts.

BTW, just got my second wind.
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #296 on: November 21, 2013, 11:14:50 PM »
2nd wind?  ewwww.. So lucky we don't have a smellivision feature..
 
Just what ARE they feeding you raptor-types these days?.. L.O.L..

Why not bring some meat to the table, if you want to play..
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #297 on: November 21, 2013, 11:18:13 PM »
Keep following me down the rabbit hole Alice.
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #298 on: November 21, 2013, 11:26:56 PM »
Well, that a very kind offer, - thanks - Humpty-Dumpty,
but I'll have to give it a miss, & now for something completely different..
..to your weird blathering..

Here are some hog-whipping `51H climb performance graphs..

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/p-51h-booklet-pg15.jpg
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Re: Best Heavy Fighter
« Reply #299 on: November 21, 2013, 11:36:06 PM »
Don't try to change the topic.
I edit a lot of my posts.  Get used to it.