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Re: Early Man
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2013, 05:40:11 PM »
I'm definitely NOT an "early man".  I'm more of a "just in time" man.
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2013, 05:46:57 PM »
I'm definitely NOT an "early man".  I'm more of a "just in time" man.
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2013, 05:55:45 PM »
Then there was a cow... No wait, that would be retarded.



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Re: Early Man
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2013, 06:01:44 PM »
Well, yes, but the originals were Norse.  The number of days and naming them after gods came from the Greeks (Sun, Moon, Ares, Hermes, Zeus, Aphrodite, and Cronos), which the Romans then adopted, but switched to their gods' names (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jove, Venus, Saturn), which was adopted by the English, but switched to their Old English names of gods (except for Saturn, which we keep as Saturday), which were from the Germanic tribes, but they got them from the Norse tribes.

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The Norse ARE a Germanic tribe. Odin's name itself originated from Proto-Germanic Wodanaz. Also keep in mind that the Nordic Bronze Age which preceded the Iron Age spread of the Germanic cultures is strictly nominal. The Nordic Bronze Age also encompassed the Jutland Penninsula (where the Angles, Saxons and Jutes originated) and other parts of Northern Germany.
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2013, 06:18:43 PM »
We need a facepalm smiley.

The Norse ARE a Germanic tribe

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Because it's not Norse mythology

I know that Germanic tribes had the same or at least similar gods, but my understanding (which could be incorrect) is that those gods (Thor, etc.) came from specifically the Norse first and then were adapted by other Germanic tribes, perhaps as a result of Norse tribes colonizing portions in Germany.

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Re: Early Man
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2013, 07:18:15 PM »
My question is how primitive was early man?

It's not a question that makes very much sense.
Incrementally less primitive than an increment of time before. Incrementally more primitive than an increment of time after.

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Re: Early Man
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2013, 07:39:01 PM »
I know that Germanic tribes had the same or at least similar gods, but my understanding (which could be incorrect) is that those gods (Thor, etc.) came from specifically the Norse first and then were adapted by other Germanic tribes, perhaps as a result of Norse tribes colonizing portions in Germany.

The Norse didn't even exist as a distinct tribal group when the first appearance of these gods is recorded, so no, they weren't "adapted" by other Germanic tribes from the Norse. They already existed before the tribes began migrating and evolving into distinct societies. If anything, the West Germanic group appears to have been the earliest to appear as distinct from the earlier Proto-Germanic collective group, with the dialectical foundations in place as early as the 1st Century BCE. The North Germanic group (to which the Norse belong) didn't begin to identifiably split off until around the 3rd Century CE.

Part of the problem is that more is known about the Norse version of the mythology because it survived as an active tradition long enough to actually get written down (Poetic and Prose Edda), while most of the other Germanic tribes were converted to Christianity before the middle of the Migration Period, leaving mostly grave goods and other archaeological finds, but no written sources. That's the real reason why the Norse are so heavily emphasized over the other Germanic tribes.
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2013, 08:16:24 PM »
The Norse didn't even exist as a distinct tribal group when the first appearance of these gods is recorded, so no, they weren't "adapted" by other Germanic tribes from the Norse. They already existed before the tribes began migrating and evolving into distinct societies. If anything, the West Germanic group appears to have been the earliest to appear as distinct from the earlier Proto-Germanic collective group, with the dialectical foundations in place as early as the 1st Century BCE. The North Germanic group (to which the Norse belong) didn't begin to identifiably split off until around the 3rd Century CE.

Part of the problem is that more is known about the Norse version of the mythology because it survived as an active tradition long enough to actually get written down (Poetic and Prose Edda), while most of the other Germanic tribes were converted to Christianity before the middle of the Migration Period, leaving mostly grave goods and other archaeological finds, but no written sources. That's the real reason why the Norse are so heavily emphasized over the other Germanic tribes.

Thanks for the information on origin of Germanic gods.

For the origin of Norse people, why do you say they didn't exist as a distinct tribal group back then?  There have been people in Scandinavia since the stone age, and people were always organized into tribes.  European tribes (Bergundians, Lombards, etc.) are thought to have Scandinavian origin starting from 1700 BC.
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2013, 08:51:38 PM »
I'm an Odinist. I believe that first there was nothing. Then there was a world of fire and a world of ice. Then these two worlds collided and created everything. Then there was a cow... No wait, that would be retarded.
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2013, 10:39:27 PM »

For the origin of Norse people, why do you say they didn't exist as a distinct tribal group back then?  There have been people in Scandinavia since the stone age, and people were always organized into tribes.  European tribes (Bergundians, Lombards, etc.) are thought to have Scandinavian origin starting from 1700 BC.

Because there wasn't a distinct group called "the Norse" when everyone was Proto-Germanic. The Old Norse language itself didn't evolve until around the 8th Century CE. From roughly the 3rd to 7th centuries you had Proto-Norse, which developed out of Proto-Germanic somewhere after that split into separate West, North and East Germanic language families.

So yes, you certainly had people living in Scandinavia, but what made them the Norse as opposed to the Lombards or Burgundians doesn't develop until after the language split.
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2013, 02:24:29 AM »
I am a creationist and I believe that the world is about six thousand years old...      

My question is how primitive was early man?


I have some thoughts and Ideas but would like to see a debate on what you think and why...  



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Re: Early Man
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2013, 04:19:21 AM »
(By the way, have you ever read the book "American Gods," by Gaiman?)

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Re: Early Man
« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2013, 04:25:32 AM »
My question is how primitive was early man?

Primitive enough to invent the wheel and religion.










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Re: Early Man
« Reply #58 on: November 15, 2013, 04:47:41 AM »
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2013, 07:33:24 AM »
Nay...

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