Nothing changes

[mthrockmor]

So is it even possible to enter into this game any sense of anything but ho, vulch, horde, and run for ack?

Sadly, I am just factions away from joining the thousands over the years that leave. Actually, maybe that is my signal.

boo

[The Fugitive]

sad but true, and on a small map for a weekend it's even worst.

[caldera]

The game has always had these things.  When you were still learning, everything seemed fresh and new.  Now that you have some experience, the fun gets overlooked and the tedium bothers you more than it used to. 

Diagnosis: you are jaded.  Take a break. 

[The Fugitive]

The game has always had these things.  When you were still learning, everything seemed fresh and new.  Now that you have some experience, the fun gets overlooked and the tedium bothers you more than it used to. 

Diagnosis: you are jaded.  Take a break. 

Yes mister nit picky the game has always had these things. The difference however is these things are becoming the norm. Instead of seeing 10-12 man missions attacking bases all you see are horde missions. Instead of seeing guys fighting with wingman tactics you see five guys all trying to HO you. Instead of seeing guys fight to their "cartoon deaths" and more often than not come back time after time to try and get revenge you see guys run for their lives like it was the only one they have.

I'll also point out that you can still find these fights now and then but they are becoming fewer and farther between. You may not want to admit that it is happening, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.

[CAP1]

Yes mister nit picky the game has always had these things. The difference however is these things are becoming the norm. Instead of seeing 10-12 man missions attacking bases all you see are horde missions. Instead of seeing guys fighting with wingman tactics you see five guys all trying to HO you. Instead of seeing guys fight to their "cartoon deaths" and more often than not come back time after time to try and get revenge you see guys run for their lives like it was the only one they have.

 these are two of the things that i believe helped kill the early war arena.......and they are doing a number on midwar. in a bad way.

[caldera]

you see guys run for their lives like it was the only one they have.

Remember earlier this month when your 20k F4U jumped a much lower 110C out in the middle of the ocean?   A great chance for a 1v1 that ended as soon as the F4U lost advantage and ran home.

[rpm]

The game has always had these things.  When you were still learning, everything seemed fresh and new.  Now that you have some experience, the fun gets overlooked and the tedium bothers you more than it used to. 

Diagnosis: you are jaded.  Take a break. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S09F5MejfBE

[The Fugitive]

Remember earlier this month when your 20k F4U jumped a much lower 110C out in the middle of the ocean?   A great chance for a 1v1 that ended as soon as the F4U lost advantage and ran home.

Again Mr nit picky I said that you can still find these fights but they are few and far between.

And the fight you mention ended due to missing some vital parts if I remember. Your aim is much better than mine.

[caldera]

Again Mr nit picky I said that you can still find these fights but they are few and far between.

And the fight you mention ended due to missing some vital parts if I remember. Your aim is much better than mine.

Fly a crappy plane once and a while and you will get plenty of people willing to fight.  At least as long as they're winning.


No idea why you ran but it wasn't for lack of parts.  Looking at the film I got one ping on you and that was from 900 yards, as you were vacating the premises.

The point is that everyone runs at one time or another. 

[The Fugitive]

Again  I agree that there are time people run. Of the 63 sorties I have this month I died about half of them and landed 17. Doesn't look like I run from very many fights.

The problem is it is becoming much more the norm. Yesterday I got to fly about 6 hours. In that time I had 2 1 vs 1 and a couple 2 vs 1 (me). The rest of the time it was just diving in amongst the horde and try to drag a guy or two out. More often than not it was 5 or 6 that would follow which always turns into a very short fight.... for me anyway  Bish and Knits were hording it up pretty good and once the Bish started loggin off for din-din the Rook horde ran for a bit...... never going head to head I might add. On a small map that really cuts down on the number of places to "start" a fight.

The OP posted he is tired of seeing the same old thing.... sounds like he thinks it's becoming the norm as well. If HTC wants a "WarThunder" type of game it's going to leave very little for those that are looking for a fight. All that will be left are the win the war at all cost types, and the points guys that will run away when their first pass fails. It IS getting harder to find people that WANT to fight. More and more just HO, pick, and run.

Here's the film of our fight. I was thinking of a different fight with a 110. You never hit me, but I was almost out of fuel and decided to go home. Doesn't look like I ran at the first opportunity.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/wk9c6owh9r7ypqu/who_110.ahf

[SmokinLoon]

It takes TWO to have a "HO".  Remember that.  You and your enemy are doing everything possible to get the guns on the enemy, a HO is inevitable in many cases.  In some cases it is a smart move, in some cases it is purely defensive.

I will always point nose on vs an FM2, B-239, P40C, or Oscar if I'm in a quad 20mm.  Why not?  The odds are greatly in my favor.  Or, if I need to get out of there for what ever reason what smart player is going to attempt a HO in their lightly gunned plane vs my Typhoon, etc? 

Don't be so quick to squeal and point fingers, remember that it takes TWO to have a head on attack.  You can avoid it, you don't have to do it.  If you're so good then AVOID it.

Oh, and ever stop and think that the OTHER guy is screaming his head off yelling at YOU for HO'in him???  Oh the irony. 

Suck it up, that goes for all of you cupcakes that cry foul when the HO attack comes your way.  You dont cry when you win do you?  Didnt think so. You laugh it up and chalk up a "winz".   

[The Fugitive]

It takes TWO to have a "HO".  Remember that.  You and your enemy are doing everything possible to get the guns on the enemy, a HO is inevitable in many cases.  In some cases it is a smart move, in some cases it is purely defensive.

I will always point nose on vs an FM2, B-239, P40C, or Oscar if I'm in a quad 20mm.  Why not?  The odds are greatly in my favor.  Or, if I need to get out of there for what ever reason what smart player is going to attempt a HO in their lightly gunned plane vs my Typhoon, etc? 

Don't be so quick to squeal and point fingers, remember that it takes TWO to have a head on attack.  You can avoid it, you don't have to do it.  If you're so good then AVOID it.

Oh, and ever stop and think that the OTHER guy is screaming his head off yelling at YOU for HO'in him???  Oh the irony. 

Suck it up, that goes for all of you cupcakes that cry foul when the HO attack comes your way.  You dont cry when you win do you?  Didnt think so. You laugh it up and chalk up a "winz".   

Depends on what you think is a HO. I almost never fire on a head to head merge. I look at it as the guys firering on that move as people who HO. I look to have a fight and maneuver for a shot NOT in the front quarter. Any shot made in the front quarter is what a person does to just get a kill, not to have a fight.

I have no respect for a player that takes that shot. To me it just shows me that he/she has no ability to win a fight so will take a pot luck shot to end it before they can be out flown.

[CAP1]

Fly a crappy plane once and a while and you will get plenty of people willing to fight.  At least as long as they're winning.


No idea why you ran but it wasn't for lack of parts.  Looking at the film I got one ping on you and that was from 900 yards, as you were vacating the premises.

The point is that everyone runs at one time or another. 

 it's not running. it's advancing in the other direction.  i do it often, lololol

[PFactorDave]

No offense Fugitive, but you complained that people aren't willing to "fight to their cartoon deaths", but get called out...  Your reason for leaving the fight...  "I was almost out of fuel"...

It strikes me that if you had been more willing to "fight to your cartoon death", your fuel state would have been unimportant...  If a good fight is what I want, I will stay in it until dead from bullets...  Or an empty gas tank.

Methinks you have a little ego on the line when flying.  Let that go and you may find more of the good fights you profess to seek.


As for all the other stuff...

I just came back after a year long break from the game...  The only real changes that I notice is that there aren't enough people to support the two Main Arenas (I like one better anyway), and there are a couple new planes and ground vehicles.

The game play seems pretty much exactly how I remember it from a year ago...  Tons of HO's, tons of runners, tons of pickers, and good 1vs1 fights are extremely hard to come by.

The biggest change for me...  My aim is currently far worse than it was when I began my break...  Ugh...

So, ya...  Nothing really changes.

[The Fugitive]

No offense Fugitive, but you complained that people aren't willing to "fight to their cartoon deaths", but get called out...  Your reason for leaving the fight...  "I was almost out of fuel"...

It strikes me that if you had been more willing to "fight to your cartoon death", your fuel state would have been unimportant...  If a good fight is what I want, I will stay in it until dead from bullets...  Or an empty gas tank.

Methinks you have a little ego on the line when flying.  Let that go and you may find more of the good fights you profess to seek.


As for all the other stuff...

I just came back after a year long break from the game...  The only real changes that I notice is that there aren't enough people to support the two Main Arenas (I like one better anyway), and there are a couple new planes and ground vehicles.

The game play seems pretty much exactly how I remember it from a year ago...  Tons of HO's, tons of runners, tons of pickers, and good 1vs1 fights are extremely hard to come by.

The biggest change for me...  My aim is currently far worse than it was when I began my break...  Ugh...

So, ya...  Nothing really changes.

For me in that instance the fight was over and I lost. I'm not hiding anything, that's why I posted the film.

And, you said that nothing changes, so I guess that means you'll be taking another year long break soon.

And if people keep taking their year long ....or more breaks because nothing changes what will become of this game? Will they still bring in as many players to cover those that leave? With the "awesome graphics" so many people are complaining about it doesn't look like a big draw. Maybe the history will bring in more players? WWI is covered in less than a semester in High School and those of us who are interested in WWI are getting up there and are either here already, or don't know how to use a computer. So that leaves game play, hordes HOs and runners. It paints such a bright future doesn't it?