Rescued Pilots

[Karnak]

It is a bad gameplay mechanism to encourage players to sit idle on a polygonal hillside for 30ish minutes rather than getting them back participating in the fight.

[earl1937]

there goes another erroneous preconceived notion...i'm not pissed off. just because i'm not bowing down and giving someone a free pass on something doesn't mean i'm mad in any manner.

No one is asking you to bow down for anything! I could care less if a capture hurts one's score or not, but in the interest of appeasing you score hounds in here, I thought that might be some incentive to think it was a good idea.
The main thing is the ability to join a aircraft, which has landed and pick up a pilot and RTB him to a friendly base. I can also see where using a LVT, launched from a port or a ship, picking up a downed pilot or someone with a GV, which is disabled and needs to be RTB'd, grab a jeep, go him. I am not one who supports the idea of dropping a box of vehicle supplies within 800 feet and all of a sudden, you have a brand new GV. That is one thing that makes this sim like a arcade game.
I am just trying to make a suggestion which would enhance the game and give us something else to do besides furball and base captures. I think that and the LST suggestion would go a long way to making the game more attractive to prospective customers on a two free trail, because not everyone wants to fly a aircraft.
We had about 30 guys, off and on during our rescue mission of Redtail7 last night and everyone thought it was a "blast" and it was something new and interesting to do.

[earl1937]

It is a bad gameplay mechanism to encourage players to sit idle on a polygonal hillside for 30ish minutes rather than getting them back participating in the fight.

Oh, so I guess in your mind, its ok for someone to sit on a spawn point and land 44 kills? What kind of B.S. is that? If a player wants to be rescued for what ever reason, as long as you are NOT being required to do so, what difference does it make to you?
Quit trying to shoot down any constructive  suggestion to improve the game!

[Wiley]

Oh, so I guess in your mind, its ok for someone to sit on a spawn point and land 44 kills?

While lame, it's a significant improvement.  They're attacking other players, they're available to be shot back at, or bombed, and interacting with the enemy.  A guy on a hillside is a guy on a hillside.

Couple that with the 'never let anything bad happen to me' attitude of most gamers, and the arena will be chock full of people sitting around waiting for their C47.

Wiley.

[olds442]

-1  If it is for fun then why does it matter if "he had to suffer a capture on his record" ?  If they want to do this and have fun doing it then they succeeded.  Why does it always have to be about the score if it's just for fun?  I do not want the code changed.  The next thing that will happen is as an enemy is engaged, some will bail to deny you a kill then wait to be rescued to keep that "score" untarnished.

Good point about the score, I really wish score could be used to judge pilot SKILL and not timidness.
However i still like the idea, for special events its really handy. Also bailing would still give the kill to the attacker.

EDIT: What I will say is this, Earl runs some fantastic missions and are some of the best in the MA. He is one of the few people who capture bases with huge bombing raids which PROMOTE fighting with fighter escorts and the bombers. And after a almost 2 1/2 hour B29 run if Earl is shot down I think anyone of his squad mates or friends would help him. Its a GAME and if people are having FUN in said game then what is the issue? Also this would PROMOTE more fighting if say a C47 climbs out to 25k and is protected by 2 fighters. It would be one hell of a landing!

[gyrene81]

sorry Earl but, the people worried about the value of their virtual lives where there is no value are the score hounds. the lack of the rescue element doesn't affect people who don't care a single iota about score, we go up, we get shot down, we go to tower, we take a brand new cartoon plane into the air and do it all over again. a kill/death ratio of -50/1 is nothing to someone who doesn't care about score. the name in lights for landing <score potato> points doesn't mean squat to someone who truly doesn't care about score.

what does matter is what happens when our cartoon planes are in the cartoon skies...who can we shoot cartoon bullets at.

again, as a feature for special events where a cartoon pileits life has some intrinsic value to the scenario...good idea. for main arena use, not a good idea.

[Wiley]

this would PROMOTE more fighting if say a C47 climbs out to 25k and is protected by 2 fighters. It would be one hell of a landing!

And what do you think would be the ratio of people sitting in field waiting for C47s to people piloting C47s out to those people?  I have a feeling your answer will be significantly different from mine.

Wiley.

[earl1937]

sorry Earl but, the people worried about the value of their virtual lives where there is no value are the score hounds. the lack of the rescue element doesn't affect people who don't care a single iota about score, we go up, we get shot down, we go to tower, we take a brand new cartoon plane into the air and do it all over again. a kill/death ratio of -50/1 is nothing to someone who doesn't care about score. the name in lights for landing <score potato> points doesn't mean squat to someone who truly doesn't care about score.

what does matter is what happens when our cartoon planes are in the cartoon skies...who can we shoot cartoon bullets at.

again, as a feature for special events where a cartoon pileits life has some intrinsic value to the scenario...good idea. for main arena use, not a good idea.

I don't have any problem with people who disagrees with this suggestion, as I have been running these things for about two years now. I will continue to run them when situations are right and what I mean is, if everyone is getting "stale" from furballing and base captures, its my responsibility as a squadron leader to keep the guys interested in the game and that is just one more way to do it.
BTW, does anyone know if a GV can be joined as we can in aircraft?

[olds442]

And what do you think would be the ratio of people sitting in field waiting for C47s to people piloting C47s out to those people?  I have a feeling your answer will be significantly different from mine.

Wiley.

Not very much at all, but following that logic why do we have the fi-156?

[Wiley]

Not very much at all, but following that logic why do we have the fi-156?

It's pretty useless as well in my opinion, but at least it can add something to a ground engagement when it's used.

Wiley.

[Wildcatdad]

Okay, so earl, an EXTREMELY respected and well known player is in here trying to make a wish he feels will better the game, and you two come in and start a sissy fight. it is his opinion and his WISH! He can wish for whatever he wants, and everyone needs to respect that. I am not trying to stir anything up or be disrespectful, but come on!
  Earl, and as to the OP, I agree.

[Oldman731]

And what do you think would be the ratio of people sitting in field waiting for C47s to people piloting C47s out to those people?  I have a feeling your answer will be significantly different from mine.

I doubt that rescue would become an overriding feature of the game.  Not many people want to sit in place with nothing to do for ten minutes.  Even tank people.  Not many people want to fly a goon ten minutes out, ten minutes back, just to pick someone up.  Or else it gives people - probably squadrons, who have lost a member and want to bring him back, just because they're tired of swarming bases - something to focus on which might actually promote combat in the rescue area.

I don't see a down side to this.

- oldman

[muzik]

for the main arenas where there are zero restrictions on how many times you get shot down, rescue has zero use.

Sure it does. ----> fun.  How smart do you have to be before you can understand that? It's a game.

[gyrene81]

Sure it does. ----> fun.  How smart do you have to be before you can understand that? It's a game.

yup, standing around waiting is really fun   ...you can do that without needing a rescue, just spawn inside a hangar and eject.

i guess i'm not smart enough to think standing around in cartoon land is fun...

[Rino]

     Now that I think about it, go ahead and let people be rescued.  If you want to waste that much time
reupping, fine by me.  As long as it's understood that your score will still be judged as if you lost your
bird <which of course, you did>.  I think I'll stick with the tried and true .ef.