DA vs MA

[Midway]

Until you consider that Latrobe flies at a level that most can only dream of, is courteous and honourable, and I imagine is rarely asked to prove himself in the DA.

You on the other hand choose not to go to the DA because you feel it would rob you of whatever advantage you may find in the MA, which in my limited experience and even more limited contact with you, usually means a phenomenal alt and speed advantage coupled with a last minute HO shot .

Latrobe will tell you I pwn him and with substantial frequency.

The reverse is also true.

Does that make me dream level as well?  

[Brooke]

As you add more to the situation in which combat takes place, things other than DA skill can become very important.

In scenarios, for example, the characteristics of fights can be very different, and things that don't play a role in DA can be very important:  handling of a plane at very high speeds, aircraft top speed, ammo load, duration aloft, squadron-level tactics, for example.  Some planes that would be at a large disadvantage in one-on-one DA fights (190A-5 vs. Spit IX, P-40 vs. A6M2, for example), have advantages in the same matchup in scenario environments.  Scenario fighting can be a lot different than the MA, too.  Situational awareness, knowing how to handle your plane at very high altitudes, knowing good group and many-on-many tactics, for example, is much more important in scenarios than in the DA and even the MA.  If you are a leader of a squadron or group, having a knack for finding or anticipating positioning of enemy groups, and accomplishing goals instead of getting pulled into fights that don't further the goal can be very important.

That being said, folks who have the highest number of kills in scenarios are people who probably are or would be quite good in the DA as well -- they have great mastery of their aircraft overall, as well as the numerous additional skills useful in scenarios.

[JunkyII]

Latrobe will tell you I pwn him and with substantial frequency.

The reverse is also true.

Does that make me dream level as well?  

Having an alt advantage does not mean you own....flying a spit 8 against a 109 does not mean you pwn

[Fulcrum]

Having an alt advantage does not mean you own....flying a spit 8 against a 109 does not mean you pwn

Agreed on both counts. Also willing to bet the "pwning" doesn't take place all that often.

[JunkyII]

Agreed on both counts. Also willing to bet the "pwning" doesn't take place all that often.

1 or 2 times is substantial frequency in his book

[Midway]

1 or 2 times is substantial frequency in his book

 

[JunkyII]

True Pwnage is upping from a field Midway is alone at in his spit 8 in a lesser version of the model.....reversing his altitude and speed advantage and shooting him down....True Pwnage....if I wanted to actually have to try I should have upped a ki61 or 109...end result still the same though.

[Scca]

Latrobe will tell you I pwn him and with substantial frequency.

The reverse is also true.

Does that make me dream level as well?  

I think I will for the first time, put someone on my ignore list....

Anyway...  The DA to me only proves you can DA well.  As has been said, the MA requires more than DA skills, it requires DA skills plus SA and knowledge of the strengths and weakness of other planes.  MA = harder...

[Fulcrum]

I think I will for the first time, put someone on my ignore list....

Anyway...  The DA to me only proves you can DA well.  As has been said, the MA requires more than DA skills, it requires DA skills plus SA and knowledge of the strengths and weakness of other planes.  MA = harder...

Agree 100%.  

Man...I've agreed twice now with Papa AK.  

 

P.S. Middy's been on my forum ignore list for some time now.  Do yourself a favor and free your mind to work on more mature matters than his tomfoolery! 

[DmonSlyr]

Anyway...  The DA to me only proves you can DA well.  As has been said, the MA requires more than DA skills, it requires DA skills plus SA and knowledge of the strengths and weakness of other planes.  MA = harder...

That's true especially the SA part. However, the DA does a very good job of figuring out the planes strengths and weaknesses too. For example, the Ki84 is a great Vert fighter, many wouldn't necessarily pick that up very easily in the MA and continue to try to "outurn" rather than out angle and use its climb ability Hammer stall in the rolling scissors (advanced type maneuvers) Eg, it's better at looping than flat turning.

I find that the general population has a tough time performing defense maneuvers when a con approaches their 6 at a higher speed. Again the DA can train well for this type of experience. It will also help you learn other airplanes that are not as fast and their abilities, (such as the N1K2), which is a fantastic plane and great for training, you don't see it flown much in the MA because it's rather slow (great diver though). People tend to stick to running away or simply staying high and fast all of the time in the MA because this seems to be the "best approach", instead of learning valuable defense tactics and understanding what a slower plane's fighting style is capable of (such as reverse tactics) in a MA full of BnZers 190Ds and p51Ds

[GhostCDB]

MA is not really harder, MA is more annoying if anything.

More than half the pilots in the MA will run at the first sight of losing a fight, in the DA it is understood that you won't run and you will use ACM (in most cases) to get out of your hole.
I don't care about MA or DA, I fly the same in both Arenas for the most part. Just in the DA you can shut people up (Midway) who doesn't know how to fly anything outside of one aircraft. Most who ONLY fly the MA aren't really that great in the DA, BUT there are exceptions for example: Latrobe is good regardless, he doesn't limit himself to any plane and he will fly any plane that he deems flyable. (Latrobe is the only person I know that flies into a furball upside down) BUT there are those people who won't fly anything besides ONE plane and if they die in a plane other than that plane they specialize in they have a barrage of excuses as to why they died and it is almost ALWAYS because they weren't in their favorite ride. My favorite ride is a Spit9, I don't fly it that often because if you learn to fly all the planes you will never be caught off guard. I often laugh at people like: YouDie, Jayro, Midway, DESO etc etc because they are limited almost completely to one aircraft, YouDie/Jayro/SFOX = Hog ;Midway = Spit8; DESO = Spit16 . YouDie being the worst of the group, will come up with EVERY excuse in the world as to why he died if he was not in a F4U.

Just my 2 cents, I don't care.
I fly what I want to fly, where I want to fly, when I want to fly. 

[Scca]

That's true especially the SA part. However, the DA does a very good job of figuring out the planes strengths and weaknesses too. For example, the Ki84 is a great Vert fighter, many wouldn't necessarily pick that up very easily in the MA and continue to try to "outurn" rather than out angle and use its climb ability Hammer stall in the rolling scissors (advanced type maneuvers) Eg, it's better at looping than flat turning.

I find that the general population has a tough time performing defense maneuvers when a con approaches their 6 at a higher speed. Again the DA can train well for this type of experience. It will also help you learn other airplanes that are not as fast and their abilities, (such as the N1K2), which is a fantastic plane and great for training, you don't see it flown much in the MA because it's rather slow (great diver though). People tend to stick to running away or simply staying high and fast all of the time in the MA because this seems to be the "best approach", instead of learning valuable defense tactics and understanding what a slower plane's fighting style is capable of (such as reverse tactics) in a MA full of BnZers 190Ds and p51Ds

I agree, there are few I encounter that know how to spell "reverse", much less get one. 

A couple of weeks ago I got into a 2 minute rolling scissors against a B-Pony in my 47M.  I have to say I was sweating it out the entire time, it ended with both of us stalling and augering.  THAT is why I play this game. 

Agree 100%. 

Man...I've agreed twice now with Papa AK.   

 

Afterall, I am agree-a-Bill.  Ya miss me don't ya?

[BluBerry]

BUT there are those people who won't fly anything besides ONE plane

thats not always a bad thing.. 

 

[Fulcrum]

thats not always a bad thing.. 

 

Ruh row...Blu is back!

You are my boy, Blu! 

[BluBerry]

Ruh row...Blu is back!

You are my boy, Blu! 

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