DA vs MA

[Vinkman]

I tend to agree. The one size fits all deck merge is a contest of who is well practiced at deck merges. While it is the easiest way to create an equal start, it doesn't offer any depth to the conflict that would shake out all that a pilot has to offer. I've been severely trounced in the DA, over and over again, in deck merges, against pilots I have beaten in the MA, even when starting at a disadvantage there.

If you can picture a factorial matrix of starting position, e state, plane match-up, and the mystery factor of not really knowing who you are up against, the Ma offers endless possibilities. There are many different, yet "equal" starting points in that matrix, but the DA only uses the same one over and over and over, so those who practice it over and over can master that one scenario and seem invincible.

So it's a good measure, but a flawed one. 

[wpeters]

MA is not really harder, MA is more annoying if anything.
More than half the pilots in the MA will run at the first sight of losing a fight, in the DA it is understood that you won't run and you will use ACM (in most cases) to get out of your hole.

Agreed .   The Da is one of best places to learn ACM.

You can learn about dive bombing and about squad tatics in the MA

But till you have a itimate knowledge of ACMs and of how your plane handles you will never really be excellent.  

I have to go with bluberry and Midway on the point that learning one plane and flying it is the one of the best ways to sucess.  You can not be a excellent pilot if you fly mutiple planes all the time.   If Midway can kick you but in a Spit than that is your bad.  Just because he is only good in one plane doesnt make him someone you can thumb your nose at. I will venture to say that you are one of the JACK OF ALL PLANE BUT MASTER OF NONE.

If he pawns you in if your uber ride in real life you be dead.

On the other hand it is good to be proficient in one or two more plane. But not in a half a dozen.

Going to the Da will help be become a Master of ACM and of SA if you fly in the Furball area.

     My thoughts on the Matter

LtCondor

[Plawranc]

When I flew with Top Gun I used to DA with the guys all the time. Not to put too finer point on it, our squad name definitely suited our skill level, but that was due to the "no-life" amount of practice we put in.

DA made us better knife fighters that is for sure, however did it make us better combat pilots as a whole? Not really, our wing-man and "One man air-force" tactics are what got us the kills in the MA. That combined with the sheer amount of experience we had in both flying and fighting different aircraft.

Practice in the DA, like everyone says, is training... MA is where the true fighter pilots show themselves. And to be honest, I prefer fighting to the last round, last drop of fuel and to the last kill unless the odds are just suicidal. 

[Redd]

I tend to agree. The one size fits all deck merge is a contest of who is well practiced at deck merges. While it is the easiest way to create an equal start, it doesn't offer any depth to the conflict that would shake out all that a pilot has to offer. I've been severely trounced in the DA, over and over again, in deck merges, against pilots I have beaten in the MA, even when starting at a disadvantage there.

If you can picture a factorial matrix of starting position, e state, plane match-up, and the mystery factor of not really knowing who you are up against, the Ma offers endless possibilities. There are many different, yet "equal" starting points in that matrix, but the DA only uses the same one over and over and over, so those who practice it over and over can master that one scenario and seem invincible.

So it's a good measure, but a flawed one. 

6-8 people 2 fields , multiple plane types , rolling 1-1 on fights , multiple e -states, Many fights per hour., that's a useful learning experience , lot of fun too. Try it with some squaddies you might be pleasantly surprised

[Fulcrum]

Agreed .   The Da is one of best places to learn ACM.

You can learn about dive bombing and about squad tatics in the MA

But till you have a itimate knowledge of ACMs and of how your plane handles you will never really be excellent.  

I have to go with bluberry and Midway on the point that learning one plane and flying it is the one of the best ways to sucess.  You can not be a excellent pilot if you fly mutiple planes all the time.   If Midway can kick you but in a Spit than that is your bad.  Just because he is only good in one plane doesnt make him someone you can thumb your nose at. I will venture to say that you are one of the JACK OF ALL PLANE BUT MASTER OF NONE.

If he pawns you in if your uber ride in real life you be dead.

On the other hand it is good to be proficient in one or two more plane. But not in a half a dozen.

Going to the Da will help be become a Master of ACM and of SA if you fly in the Furball area.

     My thoughts on the Matter

LtCondor

Let me make sure I have this right.

You saying you can only really be good 1v1 if you fly in one or two planes max?  And it's best you only fly one, like Midway.  Do I have that right?

How long have you been playing?

[Latrobe]

When I flew with Top Gun I used to DA with the guys all the time. Not to put too finer point on it, our squad name definitely suited our skill level, but that was due to the "no-life" amount of practice we put in.

DA made us better knife fighters that is for sure, however did it make us better combat pilots as a whole? Not really, our wing-man and "One man air-force" tactics are what got us the kills in the MA. That combined with the sheer amount of experience we had in both flying and fighting different aircraft.

Practice in the DA, like everyone says, is training... MA is where the true fighter pilots show themselves. And to be honest, I prefer fighting to the last round, last drop of fuel and to the last kill unless the odds are just suicidal. 

But, it's when the odds are suicidal that the most fun can be had! 

[Fulcrum]

But, it's when the odds are suicidal that the most fun can be had! 

That's only because you are insane, Latrobe.   

[wpeters]

Let me make sure I have this right.

You saying you can only really be good 1v1 if you fly in one or two planes max?  And it's best you only fly one, like Midway.  Do I have that right?

How long have you been playing?

Have you ever flown in the  furball part..   5 v1 , 4v1 are common when I am in there.  Many more fights then in the MA. I mean committed fights.  So many times in the MA I find that people will run if you get on there six. Da you are committed to the death.  I fly 109k4 109f and P-51


On rare occasions I will get in a spit or other bird to get a achievemnt in the Ma

[SlidingHorn]

Have you ever flown in the  furball part..   5 v1 , 4v1 are common when I am in there.  Many more fights then in the MA. I mean committed fights.  So many times in the MA I find that people will run if you get on there six. Da you are committed to the death.  I fly 109k4 109f and P-51

I fly a plane that can't run....every mission's a suicide mission.  I'm certain that's me and not the plane, however... 

[Fulcrum]

Have you ever flown in the  furball part..   5 v1 , 4v1 are common when I am in there.  Many more fights then in the MA. I mean committed fights.  So many times in the MA I find that people will run if you get on there six. Da you are committed to the death.  I fly 109k4 109f and P-51


On rare occasions I will get in a spit or other bird to get a achievemnt in the Ma

Yep, I have.  So what does that have to do with only being "good" if you fly one plane?

[BluBerry]

Let me make sure I have this right.

You saying you can only really be good 1v1 if you fly in one or two planes max?  And it's best you only fly one, like Midway.  Do I have that right?

How long have you been playing?

I don't think he is saying that you have to fly 1 plane to be good. I think his point is more that if you fly 1 plane exclusively for awhile it is a great way to learn fundamentals faster, compared to changing planes every sortie. We all learn differently though, so for some maybe changing planes often is more helpful. I tend to fly the same plane every single sortie because I am in love with it. To the OP's question, I think the MA is more challenging then the DA, but both are fun.

-BluBerry

[DmonSlyr]

But how do you rate who is good in the MA?? I mean foreal, I guarantee the all of the sticks you mention are probably really damn good in the DA.

There are people like rocky and messiah who are great pickers in the MA but most likely will have a hard time in the DA especially in different planes.

Many of the great sticks of AH don't care for rank,,, don't care about running away from a 1 v 1, don't care about climbing to 45k to avoid being picked.

Take changeup and skyrock for example... both really awesome sticks and they will kill you 9/10 times in the MA, but they dont play for score or K/D, and they do not run from fights. they will also kill you in almost any plane in the DA 1 v 1.

and btw wpeters, planes come with experience, and preference of fighting styles.

I fly the 109 a lot because it is a tough plane to learn all around, can furball with the best of em, love the stall, turns average but gets people who aren't prepared, is decently fast, and it fits my type of play style. However, I've started flying the p47m a lot, the ki84 is great for defense, the F4u is just a fun bird to fly all around, spits are fun but too easy (no challenge) for me, La7 is a joy.

what I am saying is these planes can be used for different types of styles in different types of scenarios. If you are at a base that is being heavily attacked far from friendly bases, you wouldn't want to up a p38.... try upping a ki84 or la7... you will most likely get at least 2 or 3 kills.  

[Fulcrum]

I don't think he is saying that you have to fly 1 plane to be good. I think his point is more that if you fly 1 plane exclusively for awhile it is a great way to learn fundamentals faster, compared to changing planes every sortie.

Now this I can agree with...but his statement didn't seem to be this so much as supporting Middrift's statement which, quite frankly, is nothing but a cover for his several failed attempts to fly something other than a Spit8.

[BluBerry]

But how do you rate who is good in the MA??

People build a reputation in the MA, just like you mentioned changeup and skyrock. I can't remember the last time I fought them, but people know they are good sticks from them being part of the MA community and people encountering them. Skill level means nothing if your just a total dick. A big part of "who is good" in the MA for me, is attitude.  Poor sports don't get good reputations. You can be an average stick, but if you are fun to fly with or chat with skill level really doesn't matter, your good in my book.  

-BluBerry

[Fulcrum]

howdy fulcrum!
 

  sir.

Glad to see JG5 getting the band back together.